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Looks more like dirt, unless they move. Have you checked her for mites?
@Eggcessive is familiar with your laying soft egg issue ... What are you feeding? Is she getting Oyster Shells (@Kiki beat me to it)?
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My 1.5 year old hen is suddenly lethargic, as if she can barely keep her eyes open and has diarrhea.

She laid an egg today and the weather is cooler today. Before this, it was very hot.

She ate earlier and seemed fine just hours ago.

She now seems out of it. She is standing with her wings dropped down. See
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Her face looks normal. Advice?
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If this is the same one that has been laying smallish eggs or thin shells, I would watch her. Make sure that her crop is filling up during the day, and emptying by the next morning. I would offer some fluids and mushy feed before bedtime. Let us know how she is doing in the morning.

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I just noticed one foot having this...

The black stuff...

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If this is the same one that has been laying smallish eggs or thin shells, I would watch her. Make sure that her crop is filling up during the day, and emptying by the next morning. I would offer some fluids and mushy feed before bedtime. Let us know how she is doing in the morning.
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She's the same one. Are those mites?

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Update!!!!
She laid her "normal" egg this morning.

She JUST laid this egg....the shell was very, very soft. It was intact but split up on me just touching it.

What on earth?
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Ccort said:
Update!!!!
She laid her "normal" egg this morning.

She JUST laid this egg....the shell was very, very soft. It was intact but split up on me just touching it.

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What are you feeding her?

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Looks more like dirt, unless they move. Have you checked her for mites?
@Eggcessive is familiar with your laying soft egg issue ... What are you feeding? Is she getting Oyster Shells (@Kiki beat me to it)?

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Look like dirt to me too.

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She's on an all-flock feed and has 24/7 access to oyster shell and grit. She free ranges from about 1130am-9pm every day as well.
I've been giving her supplemental (human) vitamins as well, for added calcium and vitamin D since she consistently has thin shells. (But by thin, they have a shell still, but a weak one. It can still be cracked.)
My previous concern of switching my little flock to layer food is that I've had four die of Fatty Liver and another of mine is essentially spayed.
I feel like an outright terrible chicken Mama.

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"When potential problems are seen, remedial action to limit energy intake through the use of lower energy diets and/or change in feed management should be considered."


I am not sure but I think this might mean that a lower protein percent would be better.
If I am not mistaking @micstrachan was feeding a higher protein feed like an all flock and ran in to problems with fatty liver issues too. I believe she ended up switching back to a lower protein like layer feeds usually have.
 
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"When potential problems are seen, remedial action to limit energy intake through the use of lower energy diets and/or change in feed management should be considered."


I am not sure but I think this might mean that a lower protein percent would be better.
If I am not mistaking @micstrachan was feeding a higher protein feed like an all flock and ran in to problems with fatty liver issues too. I believe she ended up switching back to a lower protein like layer feeds usually have.
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I've read up on it quite a bit but honestly still confused. I'd love to hear from @micstrachan
I just ordered a layer feed. I forgot to mention I started giving them pellets instead of crumble and noticed they eat less of that. I also added Vitamin B to their water, as one article suggested.

When I was looking at nutritional labels, it didnt seem to give any answers as to what is best but obviously, I am no expert.

Should I be worried that she laid two eggs today? I've never had that happen.
 
She was probably eggbound for a bit, then the two eggs came close together today. She needs extra calcium, so I would also switch to the layer feed. Do you feed many extras, such as scratch, sunflower seeds, or mealworms that might be contributing to the fatty liver disease deaths?
 
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I've read up on it quite a bit but honestly still confused. I'd love to hear from @micstrachan
I just ordered a layer feed. I forgot to mention I started giving them pellets instead of crumble and noticed they eat less of that. I also added Vitamin B to their water, as one article suggested.

When I was looking at nutritional labels, it didnt seem to give any answers as to what is best but obviously, I am no expert.

Should I be worried that she laid two eggs today? I've never had that happen.
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Usually if a bird only eats a pelleted or crumbled feed then there isn't a need to offer vitamins. They usually aren't having a vitamin deficiency. If you are feed other stuff stop.
Feeding other stuff takes away from them getting a balanced diet. That is what the crumble or pellet is.

I am afraid this bird may have too much going on...especially since you mentioned you've had losses due to fatty liver disease. Feeding a balanced diet is very important at preventing these issues...not very helpful for trying to fix these kind of issues but worth a try.
Sometimes issues can't be fixed/reversed.
 
I just read this one.
I really like it.

https://www.thepoultrysite.com/articles/fatty-liver-haemorrhagic-syndrome


It mentions this which is interesting:

Lipotropic nutrients are feed ingredients that promote healthy liver function and the export of fat from the liver. Methionine, chlorine, insitol, Vitamin B12, biotin, L-trytophan, carnitine and selenium are essential for proper liver function and fat metabolism. Supplementation of these nutrients in the diet or in birds' drinking water has been used as a treatment for FLHS with variable success.

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Calcium deficiency has been associated with FLHS. This can be addressed with the addition of large-particle calcium and Vitamin D to the ration. This allows the bird to eat more calcium without over-consuming the energy component of the feed
 
Eggcessive said:
She was probably eggbound for a bit, then the two eggs came close together today. She needs extra calcium, so I would also switch to the layer feed. Do you feed many extras, such as scratch, sunflower seeds, or mealworms that might be contributing to the fatty liver disease deaths?
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Ok. I ordered layer feed. I should have in a couple of days. Should I stop the supplements once I've switched feed?
I do not feed any scratch, seeds, mealworms. When they do get a "snack" it's squash or a leafy vegetable, occasional fruit. Ive only allowed that a couple times a week, about 2 Tbs per bird.
 
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Ok. I ordered layer feed. I should have in a couple of days. Should I stop the supplements once I've switched feed?
I do not feed any scratch, seeds, mealworms. When they do get a "snack" it's squash or a leafy vegetable, occasional fruit. Ive only allowed that a couple times a week, about 2 Tbs per bird.
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Stop all snacks.
 
Kiki said:
I just read this one.
I really like it.

https://www.thepoultrysite.com/articles/fatty-liver-haemorrhagic-syndrome


It mentions this which is interesting:

Lipotropic nutrients are feed ingredients that promote healthy liver function and the export of fat from the liver. Methionine, chlorine, insitol, Vitamin B12, biotin, L-trytophan, carnitine and selenium are essential for proper liver function and fat metabolism. Supplementation of these nutrients in the diet or in birds' drinking water has been used as a treatment for FLHS with variable success.

and

Calcium deficiency has been associated with FLHS. This can be addressed with the addition of large-particle calcium and Vitamin D to the ration. This allows the bird to eat more calcium without over-consuming the energy component of the feed
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Wouldn't that be the availability of oyster shell?
 

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