Switching Doe to Ivermectin after DuMor Goat Dewormer

[silenthawk2x3]

So long story short we are starting our foray into goat keeping. We bought three nubian kids at auction eleven days ago, and got two free nubian does today. The kids have already been dosed with pour-on ivermectin since they were COVERED in biting lice. One of the does is very thin which is why her previous owner was giving her the DuMor goat dewormer pellets. From what I've read, they are all but useless. My question is, is it safe to dose the both of them with the ivermectin now? Also is it safe to have them close enough to interact with my kids? Communicable disease wise, not so much worried about physical altercations as they won't have direct access. Other than the one doe being very thin they are healthy and alert. I don't know the exact history of any of these goats unfortunately so I'm going at it with the intention of giving them a "clean slate." Another aside... Is it possible to tell if a doe has kidded before?

 

[oldhenlikesdogs]

Unfortunately with goats there's a few nasty diseases that will cause them to be skinny. It's always best to seek out clean goats if possible. I have dealt with chronic wasting from abscesses over the years as well as an occasional worm over load. The other one is the brain worm from deer. I lost 2 goats to that. Otherwise Johnes, and CAE are also bad ones.

Goats can become overwhelmed with worms. There are some many types with barberpole worms being the worse. I have also seen lung worms which will cause them to cough. It's always best to run a fecal if possible, especially if you have access to a good vet.

We have always used ivomec plus for cattle. We give it orally. 1cc per 30 pound. I have tried that pellet wormer. Mine would not eat that stuff. I personally would just go ahead and worm them again. You are supposed to worm as necessary and not on a schedule as worms will develop immunity to wormers if used routinely.

I don't believe humans can catch worms from goats, but it's always good to wash your hands after handling them.

Some does you can tell by mammary and treat development that they have nursed a kid. Others you can't tell.

 

[silenthawk2x3]

So I dosed them with Ivermectin and had the vet out today to give them their vaccines and draw blood to test for the big three in the does. Kids were vaccinated too and we had the boys emasculated. We have had them quarantined in "the worst goat enclosure in the history of mankind." That I built in the dark the day that we got them and found out we probably shouldn't just expose the kids to them. We will get the results back in a week or so, but we are very suspicious that one of the does is CAE+ due to her rough coat, gaunt appearance, and swollen knees. We will see and decide what to do with her then.

 

[Birdsong 82]

I’m so sorry for your frustration situation. When we got our first goats when we visited the farm they were healthy and everything was clean we had made a plan to pick them up in two weeks when their shelter in fencing was ready. The guy called us during a massive rainstorm and said he needed to drop them off now because he was going out of town. It all seems very fishy. We got the goats they were skinny and their coat was very ragged and of course. They were overcome with worms to the point where we lost one within 24 hours. We were able to save the other two. I remember reading about CAE. What is that again? Anytime a goat is shit they should be immediately warrant. Worms in them can even multiply just from stress

 

[Birdsong 82]

I just read my last post and apparently AutoCorrect hit it. I am so sorry it was supposed to say anytime a goat is shipped it should be dewormed

 

[silenthawk2x3]

Well in both and perhaps all cases they should just be wormed. And CAE is a retrovirus (like HIV in humans) that goats get from one another via any and all fluids that contain white blood cells. There is some debate as to whether it can be spread through feces and saliva as well as blood and milk (for certain these two), but I'm of the opinion that your goats would have to be frenching heavily and eat hot poo to get it through those routes. Anyways, in kids it causes encephalitis and death, and in mature goats it can cause crippling arthritis. Some goats can be asymptomatic their entire lives so... If you have goats and don't test for it you should, especially if you ever plan on breeding or selling. Fortunately humans can still consume the raw milk and meat of infected goats, so some people do keep them and breed nannies and just tape their treats and pull the kids before they can get any milk preventing infection. It's not 100% foolproof as they can sometimes be born positive.

 

[Birdsong 82]

Lol. Yes both. That’s right. Vet though my baby autumn could have it but too young to tell. The signs she used to have have dissipated and she’s so healthy now for the rough start she had. Lost mama

 

[silenthawk2x3]

Sad to hear you lost mom. Usually you can test kids at 8 months, but they will usually test positive if you've given them pasteurized (safe) milk from a CAE+ doe. The test is detecting antibodies to the virus, and the kids will make antibodies to a dead virus the same as a live one. If whatever was going on with your kid has cleared up it likely wasn't CAE.

 

[Birdsong 82]

Yes I’m pretty confident she’s good. She had terrible sway back when she was just a kid and for some reason add about a month old she had this terrible live where she wouldn’t use one of her front legs. Couldn’t figure out what the problem was and then one day the lake was fine again. But the limping lasted for weeks. She was quite a right. Runt of the litter and transitioning to bottle-fed was not easy for her . Her mom got extremely sick after she gave birth and made it about two days. Autumns birthday will be this Friday actually now that I think of it. My daughter Marked her birthday is on the calendar. We had to do is give birth in the same week one was a breeze woke up and there was healthy happy baby goats the other one. Not so much. We do miss her dearly but autumn is our pride and joy