Teaching the dog?
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Keeter, I am sorry I jumped on you on the forum when you first joined. I have no excuse for my actions. I will say that I am a mod on a different board and had been deluged recently by spammers, and I took it out on you. You do seem like a good hearted guy. I will accept your offer and check your videos out. I have not had any issues yet but you never know. One of my dogs is a pit bull and she has not been around the chickens yet. When we got goats a few years ago she was really good with them, much better than I expected. So we will see! anyway...just wanted to take a moment to welcome you here and hope we can start over
- Mar 22, 2011
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Hi, Carolina. Thank you so much for your kindness! But, rather than saying you're sorry--which is very sincerely appreciated--you might be saying "You're welcome." Because the result, Carolina, has been nothing but greatly positive. Certainly we can start over, and I won't be giving it another thought, outside of appreciation. Actually, I was originally so distraught over the administration's advice followed by their moderator's removal, that I simply avoided this forum for a month or more. It was removed so fast that I don't know how you even got to see it and were able to respond. I now feel much better about the situation, and it would not have happened without your involvement. So, please feel no remorse, but rather only that you were an instrument of good.
Interesting that you mention the pit bull. One of the applicants for our video project was a pit bull. I went there with every intention of using the dog. What better breed to use to show its universal application. But, I learned something that day I never knew about pit bulls, regarding their amazing flexibility and athletic ability. This dog could actually twist like a snake, and my normal means of controlling a dog's movements went out the window. During our first step we ask the dog to give up leadership to me. If during that time I would trigger its defenses, it could have done serious damage to me quickly. So, I declined. I can normally work with a dog as a newly introduced stranger to the dog. But now, if ever I'm asked to accept and train a pit bull, I will require that I have the dog in my possession to build a good relationship with it for several days before I begin the leadership training. All of this is another piece of the video library I'm going to build, in time.
Interesting that you mention the pit bull. One of the applicants for our video project was a pit bull. I went there with every intention of using the dog. What better breed to use to show its universal application. But, I learned something that day I never knew about pit bulls, regarding their amazing flexibility and athletic ability. This dog could actually twist like a snake, and my normal means of controlling a dog's movements went out the window. During our first step we ask the dog to give up leadership to me. If during that time I would trigger its defenses, it could have done serious damage to me quickly. So, I declined. I can normally work with a dog as a newly introduced stranger to the dog. But now, if ever I'm asked to accept and train a pit bull, I will require that I have the dog in my possession to build a good relationship with it for several days before I begin the leadership training. All of this is another piece of the video library I'm going to build, in time.
- Apr 17, 2011
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so now, rather than go to all the trouble to answer the questions on forums, you charge people $30 for it. Dude.....this is SPAM. since you are really new here, it seems you ONLY joined the forum so that you can span. Is that it? Sorry...not too cool in my book.
Carolinagirl58, please accept my sincere apologies. I only today found your comment. I had done my best to follow rules of the forum, even inquiring first to administration on what to do. Even though I tried to do as recommended, a moderator--no doubt a different one that didn't know of my inquiry and instruction--immediately removed my post. I had no idea you or anyone else would have seen the post and could have responded, so I've not been checking.
My only wish is to help. I've not done this anonymously, like a spammer who can hide without a conscience. I've attached my name to it, so obviously I would not have wanted to offend. I have helped, without any charge, over the past seven years, a couple dozen people who have sought me out and found me, based on some old posts in an earlier attempt to answer someone's question in a forum. Helping each individual took a minimum of an hour on the first phone call, followed by many very long emails, and sometimes more phone calls. So, I've invested at least in the neighborhood of a hundred hours helping for free, and, to avoid an ongoing lifetime of similar requests, I've now spent a couple months of concentrated effort to make this information available online. And more is coming. I know there is no way to answer this issue in a forum without causing confusion, and possible personal injury. I tried, but there's just too much to share.
Because I regret offending, I'm going to give you 60-day access to the video library for free. The money is not of importance, but helping is. I will be sending you log-in credentials via the email system on this forum. But there may have been others offended, as well. All I'm interested in is helping. So if any other reader took similar offense, just write me and say so, and I will also forward you free log-in credentials, without any questions asked. I look forward someday to being able to release this entire video library to the world for free.
Whenever criticized, I try to learn. I've learned that if a dollar is attached to a solution, whether that solution would require selling a great chicken coop or selling a library of information, the person with the solution can't speak up on a forum to answer direct questions. Satisfied customers can, however. I learned I should have waited until the project had been around long enough that the public spoke up and answered the question by sharing what they found. But this leaves the person asking the question now, with a problem now, waiting, with very little chance of direct help. It's frustrating. But I get it. There is way too much advertising and self-promotion. Again, please accept my apologies for my error.
In all heartfelt sincerity,
Bryan
I too would like access
so now, rather than go to all the trouble to answer the questions on forums, you charge people $30 for it. Dude.....this is SPAM. since you are really new here, it seems you ONLY joined the forum so that you can span. Is that it? Sorry...not too cool in my book.
Carolinagirl58, please accept my sincere apologies. I only today found your comment. I had done my best to follow rules of the forum, even inquiring first to administration on what to do. Even though I tried to do as recommended, a moderator--no doubt a different one that didn't know of my inquiry and instruction--immediately removed my post. I had no idea you or anyone else would have seen the post and could have responded, so I've not been checking.
My only wish is to help. I've not done this anonymously, like a spammer who can hide without a conscience. I've attached my name to it, so obviously I would not have wanted to offend. I have helped, without any charge, over the past seven years, a couple dozen people who have sought me out and found me, based on some old posts in an earlier attempt to answer someone's question in a forum. Helping each individual took a minimum of an hour on the first phone call, followed by many very long emails, and sometimes more phone calls. So, I've invested at least in the neighborhood of a hundred hours helping for free, and, to avoid an ongoing lifetime of similar requests, I've now spent a couple months of concentrated effort to make this information available online. And more is coming. I know there is no way to answer this issue in a forum without causing confusion, and possible personal injury. I tried, but there's just too much to share.
Because I regret offending, I'm going to give you 60-day access to the video library for free. The money is not of importance, but helping is. I will be sending you log-in credentials via the email system on this forum. But there may have been others offended, as well. All I'm interested in is helping. So if any other reader took similar offense, just write me and say so, and I will also forward you free log-in credentials, without any questions asked. I look forward someday to being able to release this entire video library to the world for free.
Whenever criticized, I try to learn. I've learned that if a dollar is attached to a solution, whether that solution would require selling a great chicken coop or selling a library of information, the person with the solution can't speak up on a forum to answer direct questions. Satisfied customers can, however. I learned I should have waited until the project had been around long enough that the public spoke up and answered the question by sharing what they found. But this leaves the person asking the question now, with a problem now, waiting, with very little chance of direct help. It's frustrating. But I get it. There is way too much advertising and self-promotion. Again, please accept my apologies for my error.
In all heartfelt sincerity,
Bryan
I too would like access
- Mar 22, 2011
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I will send via PM shortly, Bev. Thanks for your interest, and I hope you find it helpful.
In my attempt to be courteous to other readers, to avoid cluttering the board with more about this, additional requests could better come to me by using the personal messaging system. I will be more certain to see it, and will always send the credentials as soon as I can get back to a computer, which can often be evening times.
--Bryan
In my attempt to be courteous to other readers, to avoid cluttering the board with more about this, additional requests could better come to me by using the personal messaging system. I will be more certain to see it, and will always send the credentials as soon as I can get back to a computer, which can often be evening times.
--Bryan
Dogs with high prey drives can be trained. It just takes work and patience.
If I could only get him to stop eating my turkey eggs, I'd be happy.
If I could only get him to stop eating my turkey eggs, I'd be happy.
- Mar 22, 2011
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Actually, Dogfish, I have an answer for your problem with them eating the turkey eggs, as well. But, please, everyone, take my following cautions (stated in CAPS) quite seriously, if you would, please.
I have found this to be highly effective. Our terrier was stealing chicken eggs every chance it had access to the coop (we let our chickens out each afternoon, leaving the coop open for the dogs to enter), but this process fixed it with just one application, which lasted a couple weeks, and then another follow-on application when she returned to try again. Hasn't happened since, even though she has free access to the coop every day.
Go get you a compressed-air type of air horn, the kind sold for use on boats. You'll find it in the boating or R.V. sections of any large store. Sometimes they're in the sporting section, as they are also sold for noise makers at sporting events. But get the big one, not the little ones; the big one has a lower, bigger sound.
Now, watch the dog carefully for the right opportunity. To be most effective, you have to be stealthy, and try to catch the dog in the act, without the dog knowing you are watching. Also, to be most effective, the dog would have never before been exposed to the loud noise of such an air horn. So, this training technique must be USED VERY SPARINGLY, or it will quickly lose effectiveness. DO NOT USE AN AIR HORN IN EARLY TRAINING OF DOGS. But, it can be an effective help aid in the final, advanced training steps of any process you are having difficulty with, if the message is "don't" rather than "do."
Just as the dog starts to pick up the egg, run up behind it and give it a loud blast for just a second or two. This essentially is giving you a huge, huge voice that the dog didn't know you had. The dog will be so stunned, it might appear anesthetized for up to thirty minutes. What I mean is it will, after the first startled reaction, be very, very calm and perfectly behaved. You might find that it stays right at your side. It will be in a frame of mind that it wants to keep you very happy. I've never seen a dog look scared with this technique...just calm and well behaved.
I have also used this for asking dogs to quit excessive barking, such as when people come to visit. (another "don't" request) However, again it has to be used just once or twice, and the rest of time rely only on your own resources and not the horn. Otherwise, the horn just becomes more of you barking back at the barkers, and the process fails. I like to say if a dog has to hear a horn more than three times in its life, you've used it too much.
To understand why this works, I suppose this could be described as "clicker training on steroids."
Good luck!
--Bryan
P.S.: I think of a caveat: I've never used this on dogs with which I have NOT done my Leadership and Trust steps with (steps one and two in the video). As I think about it, this suggestion might be suspect when used with dogs that have not given up leadership (a/k/a dominance) to you. Dogs that I work with have *always* gone through steps one and two, first thing, and this makes everything else from then on easy. It is quite possible that that would be a factor in my success with this horn approach. So, use with caution. Using it to counter barking without having those two steps down could easily backfire and fail miserably.
I have found this to be highly effective. Our terrier was stealing chicken eggs every chance it had access to the coop (we let our chickens out each afternoon, leaving the coop open for the dogs to enter), but this process fixed it with just one application, which lasted a couple weeks, and then another follow-on application when she returned to try again. Hasn't happened since, even though she has free access to the coop every day.
Go get you a compressed-air type of air horn, the kind sold for use on boats. You'll find it in the boating or R.V. sections of any large store. Sometimes they're in the sporting section, as they are also sold for noise makers at sporting events. But get the big one, not the little ones; the big one has a lower, bigger sound.
Now, watch the dog carefully for the right opportunity. To be most effective, you have to be stealthy, and try to catch the dog in the act, without the dog knowing you are watching. Also, to be most effective, the dog would have never before been exposed to the loud noise of such an air horn. So, this training technique must be USED VERY SPARINGLY, or it will quickly lose effectiveness. DO NOT USE AN AIR HORN IN EARLY TRAINING OF DOGS. But, it can be an effective help aid in the final, advanced training steps of any process you are having difficulty with, if the message is "don't" rather than "do."
Just as the dog starts to pick up the egg, run up behind it and give it a loud blast for just a second or two. This essentially is giving you a huge, huge voice that the dog didn't know you had. The dog will be so stunned, it might appear anesthetized for up to thirty minutes. What I mean is it will, after the first startled reaction, be very, very calm and perfectly behaved. You might find that it stays right at your side. It will be in a frame of mind that it wants to keep you very happy. I've never seen a dog look scared with this technique...just calm and well behaved.
I have also used this for asking dogs to quit excessive barking, such as when people come to visit. (another "don't" request) However, again it has to be used just once or twice, and the rest of time rely only on your own resources and not the horn. Otherwise, the horn just becomes more of you barking back at the barkers, and the process fails. I like to say if a dog has to hear a horn more than three times in its life, you've used it too much.
To understand why this works, I suppose this could be described as "clicker training on steroids."
Good luck!
--Bryan
P.S.: I think of a caveat: I've never used this on dogs with which I have NOT done my Leadership and Trust steps with (steps one and two in the video). As I think about it, this suggestion might be suspect when used with dogs that have not given up leadership (a/k/a dominance) to you. Dogs that I work with have *always* gone through steps one and two, first thing, and this makes everything else from then on easy. It is quite possible that that would be a factor in my success with this horn approach. So, use with caution. Using it to counter barking without having those two steps down could easily backfire and fail miserably.
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Hello Keeter or may I call you Brian? Have you been on the fourum lately? I was looking at your posts and it has been some time since you made a new post?
I was wondering if you are still offering this access to the video? I have a chicken killer and need your help please.
Thanks for your time.
Bcboy
My dog didn't seem to have a problem with chickens, but then she killed one. I think it is a jealousy thing with her. That probably is because she likes all the attention on her, not other animals/people.
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