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[yinepu]

Quote: hahahaha... sorry.. I had to


so long as the eggs are fertile.. toss them in the bator!

 

[ShadowsFIAL]

depends on how much stock you put into the breed registries

and on if you think you may ever want to breed the dog down the road or show him (some people hate showing AKC.. but love the CKC shows)




I always went with AKC for my dobies.. then was faced with a woman who was also breeding dobermans.. problem was she was falsifying her records.. using paperwork from dead dogs to register litters of mixed breed dobermans as well as registering dobermans who had no registered ancestors in their lines.

so considering that part of it.. the registrations just aren't worth the paper they are printed on .. not when so many people can and do falsify them
BUT many people demand the paperwork because it "proves" to them the dog is a purebred (when in actuality it doesn't really prove anything except they had the cash to submit the papers)

when I started with American Eskimos the AKC wouldn't even recognize them.. finally in 1994 they decided to 'allow" them in.. many of the established kennels told AKC to take a hike and stayed with UKC instead


if you are planning on doing anything with the dog as far as breeding or shows.. and if you can afford it.. go ahead and get both registrations..
Since some people hate AKC.. and others hate CKC.. at least you will have your bases covered regardless of which way you want to go with him down the road


All of our shepherds have been AKC.. but I never bothered to submit the paperwork because we had no interest in showing or breeding

We want to breed, but we want to get a pup from him later down the road. He has one stud set up with an unregistered female. Weiss was sold to us registered and we went ahead and registered him. CKC does a registration for 15 in their system. I would like to get him into agility trials later perhaps and bitework. Just depends on how our lives turn out. I just wasn't sure if it was good do double register if possible.

 

[yinepu]

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yup go for it

when you do decide to breed him just make sure whoever owns the dam has her registered as whichever registry you want the pups to end up being.. and make sure you get the entire contract in writing! ..I never give out numbers for the sire's registration until I know the litter is on the ground.. then I made sure that the owner of the dam actually filled out the paperwork correctly and on time. (I will show them paperwork before hand.. but never sign off on the registration paperwork until you have actually seen the live pups and done a head count). you also have the right to inspect ANY dead pups for defects or signs of disease since that can impact on your dog's future should it be a genetic issue or something like Brucellosis (which both the stud and dam should be tested for before ever coming in contact with each other)

It's amazing how many people will try to keep pick of the litter.. lie to you and tell you all the pups were dead or that the mating didn't take...

when I was doing up contracts.. the definition of a litter was 2 or more live puppies
I had the option of payment for stud service or pick of the litter to go to owner of the stud (stud owner's option)
Also as owner of the dam they hold the right to deem whether or not the litter is even worthy of registration.. however as owner of the stud if you disagree with their decision you still have the right to demand registration papers on YOUR pup if you choose the pick of the litter option..


Just make sure EVERYTHING is spelled out clearly in the contract and have the owner of the dam sign off on it BEFORE first service.

 

[ShadowsFIAL]

Then again, many of the registries do not like white german shepherds to begin with. Just like the blue and the liver, the panda also gets a bad rap. I think that if the color comes about naturally in the breed, then it should be accepted. Maybe I should create my own club xD

 

[ShadowsFIAL]

yup go for it

when you do decide to breed him just make sure whoever owns the dam has her registered as whichever registry you want the pups to end up being.. and make sure you get the entire contract in writing! ..I never give out numbers for the sire's registration until I know the litter is on the ground.. then I made sure that the owner of the dam actually filled out the paperwork correctly and on time. (I will show them paperwork before hand.. but never sign off on the registration paperwork until you have actually seen the live pups and done a head count). you also have the right to inspect ANY dead pups for defects or signs of disease since that can impact on your dog's future should it be a genetic issue or something like Brucellosis (which both the stud and dam should be tested for before ever coming in contact with each other)

It's amazing how many people will try to keep pick of the litter.. lie to you and tell you all the pups were dead or that the mating didn't take...

when I was doing up contracts.. the definition of a litter was 2 or more live puppies
I had the option of payment for stud service or pick of the litter to go to owner of the stud (stud owner's option)
Also as owner of the dam they hold the right to deem whether or not the litter is even worthy of registration.. however as owner of the stud if you disagree with their decision you still have the right to demand registration papers on YOUR pup if you choose the pick of the litter option..


Just make sure EVERYTHING is spelled out clearly in the contract and have the owner of the dam sign off on it BEFORE first service.

This first breeding Weiss is doing, we know the address, we are doing a stud fee, but not charging till pups are on the ground. All of the pups are going to her family, and not getting registered, so papers do not matter to her. She is just looking for another pup to join her family from her family pet, new family members for her family.

Does a 500 stud fee sound fair to you or too high? His non registered stud fee is 250. Just wanting opinions.

 

[yinepu]

Then again, many of the registries do not like white german shepherds to begin with. Just like the blue and the liver, the panda also gets a bad rap. I think that if the color comes about naturally in the breed, then it should be accepted. Maybe I should create my own club xD

One of my Aunts who lived in Pennsylvania used to raise white german shepherds back in the 50's and 60's. I always loved the look of them.. but my husband prefers the blacks

She also used to train shepherds for the police force.. she said it was a shame the whites had such a bad rap (too easy to see in the dark and breed registry snobs calling them inferior).. she found them to be easier to train and smarter than the black and tans.

It could have just been from her breedings and bloodlines.. but I know she used to speak very highly of her white's intelligence.

 

[ShadowsFIAL]

One of my Aunts who lived in Pennsylvania used to raise white german shepherds back in the 50's and 60's. I always loved the look of them.. but my husband prefers the blacks

She also used to train shepherds for the police force.. she said it was a shame the whites had such a bad rap (too easy to see in the dark and breed registry snobs calling them inferior).. she found them to be easier to train and smarter than the black and tans.

It could have just been from her breedings and bloodlines.. but I know she used to speak very highly of her white's intelligence.

Weiss honestly seems very, very smart. He picks up on things quickly. Took 5 minutes to get him going through a tunnel. One time catching him doing a stretch bow and me telling him "Good boy Weiss! Bow! Bow Weiss!" And he did it again. Does it still. He will sit, wait(to sit waiting or wait to take a treat), will shake with both paws when we ask for the other one, will jump up on command, lie down, and knows go around, and we barely had to work with him at all on it. His only problem is chasing cats and chickens.

I personally want a black with minimal tan, but I do not regret picking him for my husband. i just like darker dogs in general, but Weiss is a very handsome boy. He is a big derp tho and like having his tongue out all the time, and boy does he have a long tongue. Even if his nose is considered "undesireable" because it isn't all black, I think it is cute he has a red nose. Tho I would love to find a dog to compliment his faults. One with both ears that are sturdy, he has one ear that the cartilage is not as strong as the other, but both stand up, and a dog with a nice black nose, possibly one a little less long too, he looks a little long to me.

 

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[yinepu]

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it depends.. how does he compare to the breed standard?
How much are others charging around your area?

You don't want to be too cheap because that encourages people with really poor quality dogs with health issues to come to you for your stud. However you also don't want to charge an arm and a leg for stud fee if you have a poor quality dog with genetic issues (bad hips and so on).

lol.. i know it sounds snobbish.. but it's one of the things you will have to deal with. if you don't have a string of championships a mile long some people will call you a backyard breeder.. others state you must have a commercial kennel set up .. and others think you must attend all their shows and events to even be looked at as a serious breeder once you have managed to invade their circle of friends.

Personally I have no problem with a person with a nice quality dog having a litter of pups. Many people can not afford to spend 2K on a puppy (especially with this economy).. and others hate to go to the pound to pick up a dog that they have no idea of it's background or if it will eventually have health issues or temperament issues.

When you stop to think about it.. all those "serious" breeders HAD to start somewhere.. most of the breeds we have today are because some guy sat down and decided he wanted to create a "mutt" to fill a certain void. And many of the best breeders started out with a few "ok" dogs.. only to make them into "great" dogs with selective and careful breeding practices.


btw.. I started out charging 350 for my doberman's stud fee.. as time went by and I perfected my lines the price went up from there.. by the time I "retired" from breeding them I was at 1500 stud fee for my main stud and turned down the DuPont family (from DuPont chemical fame) when they came to me wanting a puppy because they only wanted a show piece that was to live out in a kennel and be ignored instead of being a loved family companion. .

 

[ShadowsFIAL]

Funny thing is, he had an all black nose when he was little, it just lightened up as he got older. These are pics of him a day or two after we got him. He was three months old. it was funny, half the time his ears would both flop the same way. He was such a cute baby.