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[Pyxis]

Originally Posted by Chickenwingo


I will have a very small handful of eggs for sale down the road this year and they will be solid black some should have black blood also with no culls when hatched 300.00 per egg and up. Pairs will be 5,000 and up

Black blood? Like you're saying the blood is black?

I'm pretty sure black blood is impossible. Blood is colored by the hemoglobin in it, which is red because of the iron content and there's really no way for it to be another color. I think they mean that the line will have extreme blackness in the bloodlines.

 

[Chickengirl1304]

I'm pretty sure black blood is impossible. Blood is colored by the hemoglobin in it, which is red because of the iron content and there's really no way for it to be another color. I think they mean that the line will have extreme blackness in the bloodlines.

ya, that's what I assumed. Just had to ask. Haha! It was worded strangely.

I was looking on eBay and there's a seller on there selling cemani eggs from chickens he admits were from out if the country. Doesn't say anything about importing them etc...hmmm

 

[DCchicken]

I'm pretty sure black blood is impossible. Blood is colored by the hemoglobin in it, which is red because of the iron content and there's really no way for it to be another color. I think they mean that the line will have extreme blackness in the bloodlines.

We actually just had this discussion a few pages back. It is impossible to have black blood unless the blood itself is dead and contaminated by bacteria. The hemoglobin molecule turns red when it swells to carry oxygen. It's a reaction with iron that causes red. Technically there are some animals that have blue blood (Maryland Blue Crab is an example). But their blood (technically not blood) uses copper for the oxygen transport mechanism.

 

[DCchicken]

Yesterday I put 9 Svart Hona and 8 Ayam Cemani eggs in the incubator. So now I have Ayam Cemani from two lines (Toni-Marie Astin and Mike's Smithsonian line) plus I have Svart Hona.

The Ayam Cemani eggs are from my latest generation Toni-Marie Astin line. I hatched out a better roo last Spring. Last week he got to move in with his girls. I can't wait to see the results of this new roo.

 

[boykin2010]

ya, that's what I assumed. Just had to ask. Haha! It was worded strangely.

I was looking on eBay and there's a seller on there selling cemani eggs from chickens he admits were from out if the country. Doesn't say anything about importing them etc...hmmm

It's best to just ignore those ads. There are so many scammers on EBay, it's best to avoid all Cemani auctions unless you know the seller well.

 

[Phage]

Yesterday I put 9 Svart Hona and 8 Ayam Cemani eggs in the incubator.  So now I have Ayam Cemani from two lines (Toni-Marie Astin and Mike's Smithsonian line) plus I have Svart Hona.  

The Ayam Cemani eggs are from my latest generation Toni-Marie Astin line.  I hatched out a better roo last Spring.  Last week he got to move in with his girls.  I can't wait to see the results of this new roo.

Please post pictures of them as they grow!

 

[Chickengirl1304]

It's best to just ignore those ads. There are so many scammers on EBay, it's best to avoid all Cemani auctions unless you know the seller well.

Well I obviously wouldn't buy them lol. I like to look at the current auctions and recent past auctions, to see why one goes for so much and others don't. I would imagine the ones that are illegal or have pictures that are so washed out, or edited in a way you can't tell what you're looking at, would go for much less. Then you have Randy's auctions going for up words of $700! Dramatic difference when ppl know what they're getting

 

[DCchicken]

Well I obviously wouldn't buy them lol. I like to look at the current auctions and recent past auctions, to see why one goes for so much and others don't. I would imagine the ones that are illegal or have pictures that are so washed out, or edited in a way you can't tell what you're looking at, would go for much less. Then you have Randy's auctions going for up words of $700! Dramatic difference when ppl know what they're getting

The different lines have different market values. Some were predetermined the moment they came on the market. Take Mike's line, fore example. He sold them at $150 a pair. So why in the world would people pay more than that for that line going forward for that specific line? The same is true for Toni-Marie Astin and Greenfire lines. They may always go for more because of the historical cost to acquire each line. People should not expect a breeder that spent thousands of dollars to acquire his breeding stock to suddenly turn around and sell the chicks for $25. If they want $25 Cemani, they should wait until the hatcheries start selling them.

 

[Chickengirl1304]

The different lines have different market values.  Some were predetermined the moment they came on the market.  Take Mike's line, fore example.  He sold them at $150 a pair.  So why in the world would people pay more than that for that line going forward for that specific line?  The same is true for Toni-Marie Astin and Greenfire lines.  They may always go for more because of the historical cost to acquire each line.  People should not expect a breeder that spent thousands of dollars to acquire his breeding stock to suddenly turn around and sell the chicks for $25. If they want $25 Cemani, they should wait until the hatcheries start selling them.

yes I agree on the initial price they start selling does have a lot to do with it. But also as people are in proving the lines I would think they would start going up in price. No matter the line the blacker people breed them to be I would think that people would pay more for them. Of course with the lines that seem to be better quality as far as blackness goes will stay high and those that are less black will probably be on the lower end.

I was talking about the more obvious reasons that birds or eggs would sell for much less. Being illegally imported, or editing the picture to a point where you can't tell what you're looking at. Those would be pretty obvious reasons people wouldn't even want to touch those auctions. And then you have a well-known breeder like Randy selling eggs that sell for upwards of $700.

Not everybody does their homework and the people that don't do their homework are going to be pretty upset when they get eggs from an auction that will produce either illegally brought in birds or such poor quality I wouldn't call them cemani.

Anybody that doesn't take a picture of their birds in natural lighting with a natural background or a background that somebody can compare to, should be ashamed.

 

[DCchicken]

yes I agree on the initial price they start selling does have a lot to do with it. But also as people are in proving the lines I would think they would start going up in price. No matter the line the blacker people breed them to be I would think that people would pay more for them. Of course with the lines that seem to be better quality as far as blackness goes will stay high and those that are less black will probably be on the lower end.

I was talking about the more obvious reasons that birds or eggs would sell for much less. Being illegally imported, or editing the picture to a point where you can't tell what you're looking at. Those would be pretty obvious reasons people wouldn't even want to touch those auctions. And then you have a well-known breeder like Randy selling eggs that sell for upwards of $700.

Not everybody does their homework and the people that don't do their homework are going to be pretty upset when they get eggs from an auction that will produce either illegally brought in birds or such poor quality I wouldn't call them cemani.

Anybody that doesn't take a picture of their birds in natural lighting with a natural background or a background that somebody can compare to, should be ashamed.

I agree. Both Ayam Cemani and Svart Hona are difficult to take pictures of due to the nature of image processors. If you get in too bright of sunlight, it washes out the skin. Not enough light and the black just fades away. Or worse, the flash kicks in and highlights the blood in the wattles.

Here is an example of too much sun washing out the black skin:




Notice the skin looks yellow where it is hit by the bright sunlight but the parts of the birds hidden by the shade of the trees is too dark to even see. In this case, the image sensor is trying to make the black gray and washing everything out.

Here is a picture of it being so dark that the flash kicks on:

Notice the flash bounces off the blood in the wattles and even highlights some silver in the hackles that probably wouldn't show in daylight. The image processor has even turned the grass yellow trying to adjust and find the right gray tone.

But still if you display photos with pixels, people are going to assume that you tried to alter the photo to make the bird look less red. You can only blame the camera for so much. People are smart enough to know when you been working on the photo in an image editing program. The more you tweak a photo, the more pixelated it will be.