The American Cemani Breeders Club...open forum

[PhoredaBurds]

Great video! And very interesting observation that black silkies only have the sheen on their few feathers which have barbules. Seems the pics of matt black cemanis all have real rough feather quality, perhaps fewer barbules. Whether that's from closely breeding the fibro for many generations, or who knows what. I read somewhere that the Intense Black genes r closely associated with feather inhibitors, hence some cemanis end up w very thin feathers and bald patches. I wonder if it's possible to have a matt black cemani w tight, clean feathers or if it only works w shaggy feathers.

 

[artblueggwanter]

Great video! And very interesting observation that black silkies only have the sheen on their few feathers which have barbules. Seems the pics of matt black cemanis all have real rough feather quality, perhaps fewer barbules. Whether that's from closely breeding the fibro for many generations, or who knows what. I read somewhere that the Intense Black genes r closely associated with feather inhibitors, hence some cemanis end up w very thin feathers and bald patches. I wonder if it's possible to have a matt black cemani w tight, clean feathers or if it only works w shaggy feathers.

I would imagine that throwing some asil blood into the mix could be a way to do that,but that would take a long time. its probably being done in asia already since asil "aseel" is more common over there. just a theory . I couldn't be sure

 

[PhoredaBurds]

I would imagine that throwing some asil blood into the mix could be a way to do that,but that would take a long time. its probably being done in asia already since asil  "aseel" is more common over there. just a theory . I couldn't be sure

Maybe not outbreeding, but inbreeding would help get us there. Of course that brings w it the hazardous side effects of inbreeding. But if fibro really is linked to feather growth inhibitors, we need more fibro rather than less. In my hatch from last week, one chick had the short chick down. Where a chipmunk chick has light stripes down its back, this chick had almost bald stripes. I was disappointed to see this at the time, but maybe it's actually a good sign. That chick has since grown in more down to cover those areas. We'll see how he/she grows out.

 

[artblueggwanter]

Maybe not outbreeding, but inbreeding would help get us there. Of course that brings w it the hazardous side effects of inbreeding. But if fibro really is linked to feather growth inhibitors, we need more fibro rather than less. In my hatch from last week, one chick had the short chick down. Where a chipmunk chick has light stripes down its back, this chick had almost bald stripes. I was disappointed to see this at the time, but maybe it's actually a good sign. That chick has since grown in more down to cover those areas. We'll see how he/she grows out.

I got in 15 sumatras 6 weeks ago and 3 had no chick down on their backs

 

[PhoredaBurds]

I got in 15 sumatras 6 weeks ago and 3 had no chick down on their backs

Interesting. How do they look now?

 

[artblueggwanter]

Interesting. How do they look now?

the chick that was the most bald is the biggest of them now,his tail feathers seem to be the shortest of the bunch and he has less feathers than the rest over all. I imagine that can change as they get older. their feathers are whole

 

[PhoredaBurds]

the chick that was the most bald is the biggest of them now,his tail feathers seem to be the shortest of the bunch and he has less feathers than the rest over all. I imagine that can change as they get older. their feathers are whole

It will be interesting to see how black he is as an adult & what kind of sheen he has. They do change so much in those first few months.

 

[birdman55]

so bluekim, you would agree that cemani has less sheen than svarts? and does this feather sheen varie even among cemani?

i have cemani and svart honas from almost all of the people who have legally imported them....and the sheen is the same in the svarts and the cemanis....not sure if it is the feed but they get the best feed...and are very healthy for that matter...maybe that does make a big difference...but the sheen has alot of colors in it..and they are indeed all black...when they get older some leakage comes thru...im not sure what causes the leakage however its interesting to see an all black bird just start changing its feathers into white...i have placed some of the culls into the free range pen...cause i didnt want to cull them...however when they stand next to the sumatra...there is no difference on the external look of the bird other then the red comb wattles of the sumatra...that i have...i personally believe that even if someone imported them from a different country doesnt mean that the bird hasnt been breed in wild/captive a different species of chicken;....hence the leakage as the bird grows...reason i say this is i have close to a 1000 birds now here....and have hatch many hundreds....of different kinds....even if you have proof your bird is indeed what it is said to be right from the importer thru paperwork...it still doesnt mean that the bird is truly that bird..(you cant prove thru the lineage in our own country let alone in a different country)..when you look at an indonesian bird like the cemani...its qualities are different then the european bird...which is where most all of the importers have gotten their birds from and have brought them to america...the people that have literally aquired them illegally as "decorative eggs" are completely different looking...and if you notice they will sell for 2-5 times more then the legally imported bird..just like the person from yucca valley on ebay...12 egg for over 500 dollars.....thats crazy...but everyone knows that they have illegally imported the bird and is of better quality then the people that paid high dollar to legally import them...but we will pay big dollar in america for eggs and we dont care if they are legal or not...i mean i put money on it that that person isnt filling out any paperwork to legally import them into a different state....especially when i bet they dont have any paperwork on their own set of birds....which they aquired illegally..which is obvious to anyone with half a brain on this breed...something that in this warm time period is only like a 25-50 percent hatch rate...thru the mail...i have seen it in my own hatchings as the days get warmer...anyways so done blabbering...

 

[bluenkimchi]

as I was saying, the sheen from bird to bird of similar background can vary..........these two example have the more shiny betel like sheen of the US lines, but still with a different body form/type and feather structure(hard feathered).......

 

[birdman55]

as I was saying, the sheen from bird to bird of similar background can vary..........these two example have the more shiny betel like sheen of the US lines, but still with a different body form/type and feather structure(hard feathered).......

very pretty birds for sure...those are not from the us...correct