The "Ask Anything" to Nicalandia Thread

[NatJ]

With such small numbers you are actually falling for what is called "Gambler's Fallacy"

Law of small numbers may result in Gambler's Fallacy. For instance, when flipping a coin and get 6 heads in a row, individuals will start putting too much probability in the next flip being a tails. And this is a reasoning based on just small amount of data in the sample.

What I am trying to say is that "All Chicks Hatched with single comb" on a single clutch of eggs is still within probabilty(however small it is) In order to get 50% p+/p+ and 50% P/p+ we need larger number of hatches.

No, I am not falling for the Gambler's Fallacy.
I do not think the "next" coin flip (or chick) has a higher chance of having the other trait.
But by the time you get 6 heads in a row with the coin, I start thinking something is odd. And by the time you reach 10 heads in a row, I'm checking whether the coin has 2 heads, or whether someone has found a way to flip the coin so it always lands heads up instead of really being random.

With chicks, if someone gets a batch of 10 with one recessive trait, I think the most likely explanations are:
--parents are both pure for that trait
--those "parents" are not really the parents
--the person is mis-identifying the trait

So with a cockerel who clearly is not p/p for single comb (because we've now seen his picture), but "all" his chicks have single combs when their mother has single comb, I would want to know how many "all" the chicks are.

If it's 4 or less, then I think random chance is the most likely explanation.
If it's a few more than that, chance is still a reasonable explanation.
But if it's 10 or more, then I think the MOST likely explanation is that a different rooster sired some of the chicks, or that the person is mis-identifying the comb type. Random chance is not completely ruled out, but is not very likely to cause that.

 

[MysteryChicken]

Yes, but with the slimmer(?) Australorp type (not 100% sure that I understand type properly yet and don't know the correct vocabularly to describe it -- to my amateur eye the Orpingtons look like a ball of fluffy feathers while Australorps seem more athletic (I may not be making any sense whatsoever)), the tighter Australorp feathers and, I hope, the Australorp heat-hardiness and egg-laying capacity.

All the Australorps I've had were alot like Orpingtons in every way. Just don't have good pictures, just some butt pictures.

 

[MysteryChicken]

Thinking about breeding this White Laughing Chicken

To my Malay Cock

What mix of traits should I expect?

 

[nicalandia]

Yes, but with the slimmer(?) Australorp type (not 100% sure that I understand type properly yet and don't know the correct vocabularly to describe it -- to my amateur eye the Orpingtons look like a ball of fluffy feathers while Australorps seem more athletic (I may not be making any sense whatsoever)), the tighter Australorp feathers and, I hope, the Australorp heat-hardiness and egg-laying capacity.

The European Type Orp is a fluffy ball.. The American type is coloser to Australorp in type. but I have yet to see an American type laced orpington.

 

[nicalandia]

Thinking about breeding this White Laughing Chicken

Where did you get Laughing Chickens? Do you have roosters that actually Laugh when they Crow?

 

[NanaK]

Thinking about breeding this White Laughing Chicken

It would be so interesting to hear them.

 

[MysteryChicken]

Where did you get Laughing Chickens? Do you have roosters that actually Laugh when they Crow?

I got them from a breeder on Ebay. My first one's, both are females. One of them is the regular Wildtype coloration.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1952371192...QBSug5lTcS&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

Here's the person I bought them from.

 

[3KillerBs]

All the Australorps I've had were alot like Orpingtons in every way. Just don't have good pictures, just some butt pictures.

The European Type Orp is a fluffy ball.. The American type is coloser to Australorp in type. but I have yet to see an American type laced orpington.

Again admitting that I'm a beginner, *if* I understand the standard -- which I might not -- even American Orpingtons look fluffier and rounder than the Australorps. In theory they're less heat-tolerant too, which is very important to me.

I'm very happy with my Australorps because they perfectly fit my mental concept of "chicken". I just would like to have the Silver-laced pattern.

 

[SourRoses]

Yes, but with the slimmer(?) Australorp type (not 100% sure that I understand type properly yet and don't know the correct vocabularly to describe it -- to my amateur eye the Orpingtons look like a ball of fluffy feathers while Australorps seem more athletic (I may not be making any sense whatsoever)), the tighter Australorp feathers and, I hope, the Australorp heat-hardiness and egg-laying capacity.

Forgive me if I misunderstand, you might very well know this...

Orpingtons are a "soft feathered" breed, in official parlance. The feathers don't lay as flat, and the base of the feather is often less zippered up by way of the barbs, so there is more floof. English having softer feathering than American Orps.

Australorps (and many other breeds) are "hard feathered", giving the smooth sleek appearance.
Some breeds are intermediate.

Lookit Clifford, our English Orp here. Some of his feathers look silkied, or like down, and he is 4 months old. When I pick him up there's a smooshing feeling, like grabbing a pillow. He's also the sweetest bird I couldn't even imagine... the others try to cram under his wings to sleep, and he just lets them. I mean, if I was a chicken that's where I'd want to sleep too...

I'd really love to know more about the genes involved in feather type

 

[MysteryChicken]

Australorps (and many other breeds) are "hard feathered", giving the smooth sleek appearance.

Many Australorps have close fitting soft feathers.