The Buckeye Thread

[Metella]

OK - that makes sense - so I had 2 special peeps that I just couldn't mentally lose at that time (barn fire - long story) and so picked medicated like I did for my first batch of peeps.... figuring that if my land had something I was unaware of - it would help them ....

but for next spring .... I could do that and make sure any brooders that hatch out are from strong stock ....

Many people in my area are freaked about Marek's - but like Pathfinders said - it seems to be everywhere at this point ....

 

[fowlman01]

Walt, I imagine you as being the person who keeps thick, hard cover books for poultry.  Just so you can use them to destroy keyboards and monitors on a daily basis

I do have a good collection of hard bound books but I am also very much in the digital age.

Walt

 

[slfarms]

Are you talking about chickens here? 


At any rate, no, killed viruses do not shed. See this link from the U of MI, scroll down to the paragraph headed Types of Vaccines:

https://www.msu.edu/~silvar/vax.htm


It says " Killed vaccines, also known as fully attenuated vaccines, until recently have been the safest vaccine option available. They are safer because unlike the modified live vaccines they do not shed virus into the environment nor can they ever revert to virulence. However, in order to maximize their effectiveness, killed vaccines are normally used with adjuvants that can cause their own problems."


Maybe the test showed a reaction to the antigen? Hard to say. Let us know what article and in what magazine.


See this chart on DVMvac.org showing the differences between live and killed vaccines:

http://www.dvmvac.org/killvmodified.asp


 

Yes, I was talking about chickens . I was unable to find the magazine but after searching I've found the issue is with fowl pox and fowl cholera vaccines. "Live" vaccines
http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/m/#publication?id=PS030

http://www.merck-animal-health.com/species/poultry/live-vaccines.aspx

After reading this information I remember that the article was written by a vet and they were reporting transmission at shows to non innoculated birds. I wish now I had not thrown the magazine out.

After all that reading I will not be running vaccines. We've not had any outbreaks but was curious as to what everyone else was doing.

 

[AinaWGSD]

feathered legged fowl they have three common genes which will cause the feathered feet-legs and the stub gene is covered up by these. (buffalogirl pointed out the recessive stub gene) It is a gene carried with the feather leg fowl. Someone questioned was it normal in bucks. No, it isn't normal and shouldn't be appearing unless the original breeder used a feather leg (Brahma or Cochin as examples) to increase say "head size" in their buck line. Or when the roo was developed the gene was recessive on both parents sides and showed as the stubs in the roo.

Thank you! This is the information I was looking for. I understand that it would be a problem if I wanted to show him as it is not a breed characteristic but that is not my current concern anyway. For now, I'm not sure we'll get into showing (it certainly isn't going to happen this year). My primary focus is a dual purpose bird that lays reasonably well and dresses out decently at 4-6 months of age, so for now he'll do just fine until we can find a better cockerel. But I do have two pullets out of the same breeding pen (whom I haven't had a chance to check for stubs since discovering them on my male) so knowing whether the gene is recessive or not is helpful for the future if I ever decide to do more than just reproducing birds for my personal use.

 

[Pathfinders]

Yes, I was talking about chickens . I was unable to find the magazine but after searching I've found the issue is with fowl pox and fowl cholera vaccines. "Live" vaccines
http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/m/#publication?id=PS030

http://www.merck-animal-health.com/species/poultry/live-vaccines.aspx

After reading this information I remember that the article was written by a vet and they were reporting transmission at shows to non innoculated birds. I wish now I had not thrown the magazine out.

After all that reading I will not be running vaccines. We've not had any outbreaks but was curious as to what everyone else was doing.

Oh yes, live vaccines shed, for sure. I do think, if I ever (knock wood) started to have a problem with fowl pox that I would vaccinate the rest of the pens. Dry fowl pox is not so bad, but if it turns to wet, then you have a potential problem. But so far (in ten years here), we haven't seen it, thank goodness. I think part of it is the Little Brown Bat colony that was recently discovered by the DNR here (as they were surveying for the big natural gas pipeline that is going through here next year.) I love the bats, they're purely awesome. They swoop around at night, DD#2 and I love to sit out and watch them.

 

[Pathfinders]

And interestingly, just after I posted that, this came across my FB news feed. So keep an eye out for problems with fowl pox folks, and be sure to remove sources of standing water on your place:

Mosquito Populations Are Booming This Year Thanks To Warm Weather

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/25/mosquito-populations_n_3647584.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003

 

[007medic]

This is exactly why I've not closed off the chimney to the swifts, put bat boxes up on the barns and put out feeders for the hummers.

 

[Metella]

I have a little grey catbird that swoops and eats up my bugs! Didn't even move her nest when she built it on the house ....

Our bats have a disease, and nearly 90% of them have died off !!!

 

[Pathfinders]

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Yes, I think it's called White Nose disease, very nasty and terrible. Some kind of fungus, just wretched. I love bats, they are so cool.

 

[Metella]

Yes, that is it! and it makes the news often ... they think the fungus is actually something that has been around a long time, but pesicide usage has reduced bat immunity and they are dying....... they think the very same thing is happening to honey bees and their being infested with mites.

When done right - most farms don't even need pesticide OR fertilizer ..... ;( I don't mean to preach - but jeez, I don't want to hand pollinate all my apples. !