The Calico/Aloha/Mottled Naked Neck Thread

[draye]

NN x NN = 100% NN
NN x Nn = 50% NN, 50% Nn
NN x nn = 100% Nn
Nn x Nn = 25% NN, 50% Nn, 25% nn
Nn x nn = 50% Nn, 50% nn

 

[draye]

I didn't get any pictures of mine today, for their 8 week pictures.
Finally landed a job and today us my only day off this week and have lots of running around to do.

Took a few minutes to check the leg ties and make sure they weren't too tight. When I take picture it takes about an hour and a half to get them all done.

The mottles are still mottling up pretty good.

Maybe I'll have time next week.

 

[Fire Ant Farm]

I didn't get any pictures of mine today, for their 8 week pictures.
Finally landed a job and today us my only day off this week and have lots of running around to do.

Took a few minutes to check the leg ties and make sure they weren't too tight. When I take picture it takes about an hour and a half to get them all done.

The mottles are still mottling up pretty good.

Maybe I'll have time next week.

Gosh - similar day - I was going to do the 9 week weights, but had to switch out the leg band zip ties (some were getting a bit close to tight), and after all that was done, neither the words not I could bear the added drama of weighing... BTW, Puppy (the one I was hoping would be mottled) now has no white on the head - looks like she'll be buff as you guys predicted...

Congrats on the job!!!

- Ant Farm

Edit: OMG, CRAZY autocorrect! BIRDS, not "words"

 

[Kev]

Gosh - similar day - I was going to do the 9 week weights, but had to switch out the leg band zip ties (some were getting a bit close to tight), and after all that was done, neither the words not I could bear the added drama of weighing... BTW, Puppy (the one I was hoping would be mottled) now has no white on the head - looks like she'll be buff as you guys predicted...

Congrats on the job!!!

- Ant Farm

Aww, same boat as you, the one girl that seemed to have mottle potential is molting out normal. Oh well.

 

[Fire Ant Farm]

Aww, same boat as you, the one girl that seemed to have mottle potential is molting out normal. Oh well.

I have five Speckled Sussex chicks at 4 weeks old - they're hatchery, not sure of their ultimate future size, but depending their size, I MAY possibly try to cross them into the NNs to start some mottling (I believe/understand that it may take more than one generation...). Or not...

- Ant Farm

 

[draye]

Here are my best two cockerels from my mottled project.

Doesn't have much mottling, but look at that totally naked neck. Definite keeper.

Best mottled. Not sure you can tell it from the photo or not, but this has real good mottling on the bib. The bib is a little big but I can work with it. Another definite keeper.

These two are the only ones I know for sure that I'm going to keep as breeders.

 

[Fire Ant Farm]

OK, so I'd love some opinions from you folks who know TONS more than I do about chicken feathering/color genetics.

I have 7 Naked neck cockerels of various coloring (currently 10 weeks old), and am evaluating them on and ongoing basis to decide who I might keep - to that end, I would like to know of the advantages of keeping one vs another for "aloha" or mottled NN flock project goals. Specifically, I have five Speckled Sussex (age 5 weeks) (looks like they may all be pullets), and would like to choose one of the cockerels to be the rooster for their small flock. Which of the following would be best to cross with the Speckled Sussex? (I understand from previous posts that I may need to wait until F2 to see any actual mottling when using SS.) Tank is high up in the running for main NN flock rooster because of his size and good/non-aggressive disposition so far, but I'm almost certain to find some way to keep him regardless, unless he turns into a hellion. Of note, I also have a single hatchery New Hampshire Red pullet available, but she will be part of the main NN flock, having been raised with them. (May be getting German New Hampshires this spring.)

Bane (all black with greenish sheen, occasional tiny deep crimson flash on the mid back that I can't verify as real, rose combed, black legged)(the one in front)


Tank (red with black tail, white legs - enormous from the very beginning)

(Tank with his favorite gal)


Dozer (red with black tail, blue legs)


Mouse (more buffish to his red, tiny amount of black in tail, yellow legs)


Apoc (wheaten - started yellow-downed, mahogany mixed with black)



Neo (deep black with green highlights, with deep red mixed in, very lovely - started black-downed)



Cypher (red with black tail, yellow legs)
(I don't have a photo of him - same as Tank and Dozer but smaller and yellow legged)

Thoughts of who'd go nice with the Speckled Sussex for aloha NNs?

- Ant Farm

 

[draye]

OK, so I'd love some opinions from you folks who know TONS more than I do about chicken feathering/color genetics. I have 7 Naked neck cockerels of various coloring (currently 10 weeks old), and am evaluating them on and ongoing basis to decide who I might keep - to that end, I would like to know of the advantages of keeping one vs another for "aloha" or mottled NN flock project goals. Specifically, I have five Speckled Sussex (age 5 weeks) (looks like they may all be pullets), and would like to choose one of the cockerels to be the rooster for their small flock. Which of the following would be best to cross with the Speckled Sussex? (I understand from previous posts that I may need to wait until F2 to see any actual mottling when using SS.) Tank is high up in the running for main NN flock rooster because of his size and good/non-aggressive disposition so far, but I'm almost certain to find some way to keep him regardless, unless he turns into a hellion. Of note, I also have a single hatchery New Hampshire Red pullet available, but she will be part of the main NN flock, having been raised with them. (May be getting German New Hampshires this spring.) Bane (all black with greenish sheen, occasional tiny deep crimson flash on the mid back that I can't verify as real, rose combed, black legged)(the one in front) Tank (red with black tail, white legs - enormous from the very beginning) (Tank with his favorite gal) Dozer (red with black tail, blue legs) Mouse (more buffish to his red, tiny amount of black in tail, yellow legs) Apoc (wheaten - started yellow-downed, mahogany mixed with black) Neo (deep black with green highlights, with deep red mixed in, very lovely - started black-downed) Cypher (red with black tail, yellow legs) (I don't have a photo of him - same as Tank and Dozer but smaller and yellow legged) Thoughts of who'd go nice with the Speckled Sussex for aloha NNs? - Ant Farm

Red is your best choice for the color mottling that you want. No black if you can help it. Tank would be a good choice, but you'll have the white legs to deal with. They can be bred out but can take awhile. Mouse is another in my opinion a better choice. He already has the yellow legs. Between him and Tank ( I think you said Tank was the largest). I personally would di my best to keep both. Dozen would work but the blue legs, um I'm trying to deal with the blue legs now. Hard to get rid of them. When needs to hens with yellow legs then you'll get green legs. Another color hard to deal with in my opinion. The blue legs in my flock came from my Salmon rooster that I had. He carried mottling and tge current Red Mottked rooster I have now is a grandmson of his and most like the Mottled Partridge hen he's with now and I have chicks from them, is most likely his grandmother also. So Mister Red Motyled also had the blue kegs. I'll have to check to see if the offspring have blue or not. All in all though I think probably must any can be worked with ( rooster, regardless of the color) and finally come up with the mottling but will take a good amount if time and several generations to get there. I'm not sure where I'm going to end up with on my Aloha/Mottled project. I'm diwn to just the Aloha rooster and one red hen from the Alohas to breed from I lost a rooster the other night and had to do some moving atound to accommodate all my hens/pullets. So now Aloha rooster is in with no hens that carry the mottling gene. I have one other rooster that had a small possibility of carrying the mottling gene but very small. His granddaddy was the Salmon too and his mana was a Columbian color like him, so don't know of it is there it not. He is penned with three hens that are his half aunts that may also canary the mottling gene. . These are my opinions only and the way that I would handle it. Sommer may tell you something totally different.

 

[draye]

By the way:

Apoc and Neo are looking more if a Golden Birchen color than Partridge. JMHO though.

 

[Fire Ant Farm]

Red is your best choice for the color mottling that you want. No black if you can help it.

Tank would be a good choice, but you'll have the white legs to deal with. They can be bred out but can take awhile.

Mouse is another in my opinion a better choice. He already has the yellow legs.
Between him and Tank ( I think you said Tank was the largest). I personally would di my best to keep both.

Dozen would work but the blue legs, um I'm trying to deal with the blue legs now. Hard to get rid of them. When needs to hens with yellow legs then you'll get green legs. Another color hard to deal with in my opinion.

The blue legs in my flock came from my Salmon rooster that I had. He carried mottling and tge current Red Mottked rooster I have now is a grandmson of his and most like the Mottled Partridge hen he's with now and I have chicks from them, is most likely his grandmother also. So Mister Red Motyled also had the blue kegs. I'll have to check to see if the offspring have blue or not.

All in all though I think probably must any can be worked with ( rooster, regardless of the color) and finally come up with the mottling but will take a good amount if time and several generations to get there.

I'm not sure where I'm going to end up with on my Aloha/Mottled project. I'm diwn to just the Aloha rooster and one red hen from the Alohas to breed from

I lost a rooster the other night and had to do some moving atound to accommodate all my hens/pullets. So now Aloha rooster is in with no hens that carry the mottling gene.

I have one other rooster that had a small possibility of carrying the mottling gene but very small. His granddaddy was the Salmon too and his mana was a Columbian color like him, so don't know of it is there it not. He is penned with three hens that are his half aunts that may also canary the mottling gene. .

These are my opinions only and the way that I would handle it. Sommer may tell you something totally different.

Thanks - Helpful!!! The SS already have white legs, so if I understand correctly, yellow + white = white anyhow, so maybe just one of the reds in general (Mouse or Cypher or Dozer or Tank?)... (and I don't care too much about leg color). I don't mind the blue legs in any of my birds.

Re: your second post, I didn't think any of my boys were partridge (with my limited understanding of what that looks like) - it's one (and maybe a half) of the girls.

So, this is good news, as I have a few reds to choose from. Is the reason not to use any that have black to them because they will cover/overwhelm? What sort of results (mottled or not) might I get using Apoc and Neo with either Buff or Black or Partridge girls?

- Ant Farm