The carbon tax

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You guys will also want to regulate methane as well, I guess, since it's a more potent GHG. Oh, and how do you plan on regulating water vapor, which is by far the most potent and significant GHG? I guess we'll also have to pay an extra tax on cows and sheep due to their tendency to emit lots of methane via farting and belching. Oh, and extra taxes on any crops, since they emit GHGs when their leftovers decompose. A baby tax, too, while you're at it, since the addition of another person will result in even MORE GHGs.

All the while ignoring the fact that the greenhouse effect is logarithmic, meaning that each unit of GHGs introduced into the atmosphere causes less warming than the previous unit.

Better forget, too, about the fact that humans account for only about 3% of CO2 emissions and about 5% of nitrous oxide. We account for about 18% of methane emissions, a fact that is bizarrely ignored - why is CO2, one of the most important gases on Earth, the target of the environmentalist left rather than methane? Oh, wait, CO2 is produced by anything and everything we do, which means they theoretically need to REGULATE anything and everything we do. How convenient.

You really think that mankind can have anything resembling an appreciable effect on the climate of a planet that is also influenced by the sun, cosmic rays, volcanoes, etc.? I'm sorry, I have difficulty believing that. Also, note the trend of climate over the 20th century. Warming occurred at the beginning, then it cooled about halfway through despite significant emissions increases. Then it started warming again, and slowed down after the '90s. We're currently in a moderate warming trend, and this type of period is known as an interglacial period. Let me see... global warming or ice age? What a choice. I think I'll take the warming. Russians and North Dakotans certainly aren't complaining. Sea level rise, if it even becomes noticeable, is so freaking slow that by the time this lovely interglacial period ends, MAYBE some exceptionally low-lying islands and coastal areas would be flooded. The real rise, despite the Goracle's ravings, if it happened at all, would be measured in centimeters. The northern ice certainly won't have any effect - the majority of Greenland's ice, if it melted, would become a giant lake in a massive depression in the middle of Greenland caused by its own sheer weight. Oh, and then Greenland would be habitable as well. Sea ice would obviously have no effect on sea levels. The majority of Antarctica is cooling, however there is a certain infamous peninsula that IS losing ice. There's your "massive sea level rise."

Did I mention that, thanks to the warming, the Sahara desert has been retreating?

Guinea fowl galore, the above is a truly annoying comment.
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Anything less than loads of facts dripping with sarcasm isn't anywhere close to annoying.

you know people would take you more seriously if you weren't so sarcastic, belittling and extreme. It is unbecoming on anyone but especially on a young person.

Sarcasm - yup. I love it. It gets a point across with more force, plus it comes naturally to me. Do note that I keep from actually insulting, however. You have no idea just how much of my posts I self-censor.
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Belittling - wow. Criticizing others' positions is belittling now? Hmph. Guess that means everyone belittles everyone. I always thought belittling was subtly insulting a person, usually by implying stupidity. Extreme? What does that mean? Does it mean taking a stand on principle and refusing to compromise? Yep, guess I'm an extremist, and I'm proud of it. If it means "fringe ideas," I'll admit, I'm not exactly in the mainstream in a lot of areas. But what I just said? I fail to see how it's extreme in the least.
 
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you know people would take you more seriously if you weren't so sarcastic, belittling and extreme. It is unbecoming on anyone but especially on a young person.

Sarcasm - yup. I love it. It gets a point across with more force, plus it comes naturally to me. Do note that I keep from actually insulting, however. You have no idea just how much of my posts I self-censor.
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Belittling - wow. Criticizing others' positions is belittling now? Hmph. Guess that means everyone belittles everyone. I always thought belittling was subtly insulting a person, usually by implying stupidity. Extreme? What does that mean? Does it mean taking a stand on principle and refusing to compromise? Yep, guess I'm an extremist, and I'm proud of it. If it means "fringe ideas," I'll admit, I'm not exactly in the mainstream in a lot of areas. But what I just said? I fail to see how it's extreme in the least.

might i mention a youth who likes to teach their grandmother to suck eggs and is unapologetic about it too.
 
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You guys will also want to regulate methane as well, I guess, since it's a more potent GHG. Oh, and how do you plan on regulating water vapor, which is by far the most potent and significant GHG? I guess we'll also have to pay an extra tax on cows and sheep due to their tendency to emit lots of methane via farting and belching. Oh, and extra taxes on any crops, since they emit GHGs when their leftovers decompose. A baby tax, too, while you're at it, since the addition of another person will result in even MORE GHGs.

All the while ignoring the fact that the greenhouse effect is logarithmic, meaning that each unit of GHGs introduced into the atmosphere causes less warming than the previous unit.

Better forget, too, about the fact that humans account for only about 3% of CO2 emissions and about 5% of nitrous oxide. We account for about 18% of methane emissions, a fact that is bizarrely ignored - why is CO2, one of the most important gases on Earth, the target of the environmentalist left rather than methane? Oh, wait, CO2 is produced by anything and everything we do, which means they theoretically need to REGULATE anything and everything we do. How convenient.

You really think that mankind can have anything resembling an appreciable effect on the climate of a planet that is also influenced by the sun, cosmic rays, volcanoes, etc.? I'm sorry, I have difficulty believing that. Also, note the trend of climate over the 20th century. Warming occurred at the beginning, then it cooled about halfway through despite significant emissions increases. Then it started warming again, and slowed down after the '90s. We're currently in a moderate warming trend, and this type of period is known as an interglacial period. Let me see... global warming or ice age? What a choice. I think I'll take the warming. Russians and North Dakotans certainly aren't complaining. Sea level rise, if it even becomes noticeable, is so freaking slow that by the time this lovely interglacial period ends, MAYBE some exceptionally low-lying islands and coastal areas would be flooded. The real rise, despite the Goracle's ravings, if it happened at all, would be measured in centimeters. The northern ice certainly won't have any effect - the majority of Greenland's ice, if it melted, would become a giant lake in a massive depression in the middle of Greenland caused by its own sheer weight. Oh, and then Greenland would be habitable as well. Sea ice would obviously have no effect on sea levels. The majority of Antarctica is cooling, however there is a certain infamous peninsula that IS losing ice. There's your "massive sea level rise."

Did I mention that, thanks to the warming, the Sahara desert has been retreating?

Guinea fowl galore, the above is a truly annoying comment.
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Anything less than loads of facts dripping with sarcasm isn't anywhere close to annoying.

you know people would take you more seriously if you weren't so sarcastic, belittling and extreme. It is unbecoming on anyone but especially on a young person.

I don't know Q. I think a lot of people in North Dakota might be happy with a little less rain in areas that it didn't use to occur. I don't have a Masters in meteorology and economics and history and all the stuff that you do. However I have heard that some of the extreme weather is being caused by excessive carbon particles in the atmosphere which is holding moisture. Hence the catastrophic weather we and the rest of the world have been experiencing. The majority of scientist that are not in the pockets of oil and coal companies believe that there is a problem. Al Gore was certainly not a scientist. He just presented the data. He may have done it because he was concerned, or more likely for the money he made on the movie rights and of course his Nobel prize. Regardless he was good enough to present the evidence to a worldwide audience vs just an article in a science publication.

I think the carbon tax won't work very well, only because it's perfectly engineered to be rife with corruption. I do wish they would do something to get this country off oil and coal though. It may not be profitable right now but in the future when the oil is all gone it would be nice to have a well established alternative energy means. Worrying so much about short term cost is very short sighted. As a teenager Q you should be a little more concerned with the world you will be living in. I'll be a pile of dirt by the time it gets real bad. I still worry about your generation though. I'm more concerned about breathable air than I am the deficit or if some stockholders get big dividends or not.

Fortunately most of the world has woken up to the real situation. I guess they don't get Fox News or something.
 
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you know people would take you more seriously if you weren't so sarcastic, belittling and extreme. It is unbecoming on anyone but especially on a young person.

I don't know Q. I think a lot of people in North Dakota might be happy with a little less rain in areas that it didn't use to occur. I don't have a Masters in meteorology and economics and history and all the stuff that you do. However I have heard that some of the extreme weather is being caused by excessive carbon particles in the atmosphere which is holding moisture. Hence the catastrophic weather we and the rest of the world have been experiencing. The majority of scientist that are not in the pockets of oil and coal companies believe that there is a problem. Al Gore was certainly not a scientist. He just presented the data. He may have done it because he was concerned, or more likely for the money he made on the movie rights and of course his Nobel prize. Regardless he was good enough to present the evidence to a worldwide audience vs just an article in a science publication.

I think the carbon tax won't work very well, only because it's perfectly engineered to be rife with corruption. I do wish they would do something to get this country off oil and coal though. It may not be profitable right now but in the future when the oil is all gone it would be nice to have a well established alternative energy means. Worrying so much about short term cost is very short sighted. As a teenager Q you should be a little more concerned with the world you will be living in. I'll be a pile of dirt by the time it gets real bad. I still worry about your generation though. I'm more concerned about breathable air than I am the deficit or if some stockholders get big dividends or not.

Fortunately most of the world has woken up to the real situation. I guess they don't get Fox News or something.

...Catastrophic weather has been going on since the beginning of the world. That said, I do agree that an alternative energy source is ideal. Hydrogen fuel cells may have some potential. Heck, once oil gets too expensive, oil companies will be frantically competing to figure out a new energy source.

Personally, I like one thing they're doing over in Europe (Germany, I believe) - tax credits for installing solar panels on the roof of your home. Nothing forced, just encouragement.
 
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Sarcasm - yup. I love it. It gets a point across with more force, plus it comes naturally to me. Do note that I keep from actually insulting, however. You have no idea just how much of my posts I self-censor.
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Belittling - wow. Criticizing others' positions is belittling now? Hmph. Guess that means everyone belittles everyone. I always thought belittling was subtly insulting a person, usually by implying stupidity. Extreme? What does that mean? Does it mean taking a stand on principle and refusing to compromise? Yep, guess I'm an extremist, and I'm proud of it. If it means "fringe ideas," I'll admit, I'm not exactly in the mainstream in a lot of areas. But what I just said? I fail to see how it's extreme in the least.

might i mention a youth who likes to teach their grandmother to suck eggs and is unapologetic about it too.

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Supposedly Germany has enough solar panels on roofs to eliminate the need for one nuke. Of course I didn't hear how big of a nuclear plant they were talking about. It would be nice if our government got more serious about alternative energy though. I have seen a lot more solar panels on roofs though. Here in Colorado they have a fairly decent program for incentive along with the federal incentive. Still terribly expensive though.
 
So dunkopf where do you get your info ? Since anyone according to you that listens to anyone other then liberals view point is wrong and don't know what the heck their talking about.

Just wondering
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She lost me on this one also... meds?
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might i mention a youth who likes to teach their grandmother to suck eggs and is unapologetic about it too.

What.
 
No tree grows slow here. I plant native usually douglas fir, western red cedar, pines, hemlock, red alder and minor species. The state requires replanting after harvest with native trees. Logging is only a part of my business I do wildlife enhancement, stream restoration, and other habitat related improvements.
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what trees do you replant. do you replant the diverse native hard woods including the slow growing ones?
 

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