The carbon tax

[Q9]

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If only someone could figure out a way to produce cold fusion... but that's a LONG way off.

Lessons learned about nuclear power: do not build plants on a fault line.

 

[Q9]

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Yes, just as we have an appreciable effect on many things such as rapidly declining biodiversity in recent decades despite populations that are also influenced by natural disasters, predation, and disease. I'm really not sure how a population as large as ours (not that it is purely the numbers that matter...a million ants is quite different that a million elephants for example) could not have appreciable effects of many kinds.

As far as a carbon tax goes, I'd have to read into it before forming an opinion of any kind. Really though, the way I see it is that nothing is sustainable ultimately if your population keeps expanding past a certain point.

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When you look at the scale of human emissions vs natural emissions, though, our contributions are pretty pathetic, especially when water vapor is factored in.

One theory I've heard is that supposedly emissions of GHGs are keeping us from sliding into another Ice Age. I personally don't believe it, but it's still an interesting theory. I'm oddly fascinated by hypotheticals.

 

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So what you are saying if I read you correctly is that the earth is flawed in its' ability to cope with it's population? Is this a design flaw or a product of stagnated evolution? There are checks and balances in nature to deal with the effects that we put on the earth just as in the natural world. Maybe just maybe God was right there is an end.
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Yes, just as we have an appreciable effect on many things such as rapidly declining biodiversity in recent decades despite populations that are also influenced by natural disasters, predation, and disease. I'm really not sure how a population as large as ours (not that it is purely the numbers that matter...a million ants is quite different that a million elephants for example) could not have appreciable effects of many kinds.

As far as a carbon tax goes, I'd have to read into it before forming an opinion of any kind. Really though, the way I see it is that nothing is sustainable ultimately if your population keeps expanding past a certain point.

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[KristyHall]

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you know people would take you more seriously if you weren't so sarcastic, belittling and extreme. It is unbecoming on anyone but especially on a young person.

Pot, have you met Kettle?

I know I'm older than Q9 and pretty sure I'm older than you and I take Q9 seriously. I find what he has to say interesting. I disagree with you and Dunkopf on just about everything, but I read it nonetheless. Maybe I'll learn something new, maybe you'll sway my opinion. Hasn't happened yet, but I still see some value in other peoples perspectives.

P.S. - Condescension is also unbecoming.

and yet i do not post "laughing" smilies when ever i disagree with someone, hinting that their opinions are laughable.

It's highly condescending.

 

[KristyHall]

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So what is your opinion on thinning of forest? I've heard both sides. I'm kind of OCD so all the dead stuff and undergrowth kind of annoys me. Here in Colorado they talk a lot about thinning to reduce the chance of fires. Lot of passion on both sides of the issue. we have a serious problem with the Pine Beetle here.

Glad to hear you do restoration stuff. I know it takes forever to grow back, but don't they leave a percentage of trees standing and let the new stuff fill in what was logged? I will admit that because of government intervention the wood industry and mining industry is getting better about destroying the landscape. Particularly the wood industry. Mining still has quite a way to go.

harvesting wood and thinning done carefully is good woodlot management. I tend my woods, thinning out the unhealthy trees and use their wood. i do leave some dead trees up as habitat for the animals

 

[KristyHall]

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I did not know that. That's pretty interesting

 

[Dunkopf]

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Yes, just as we have an appreciable effect on many things such as rapidly declining biodiversity in recent decades despite populations that are also influenced by natural disasters, predation, and disease. I'm really not sure how a population as large as ours (not that it is purely the numbers that matter...a million ants is quite different that a million elephants for example) could not have appreciable effects of many kinds.

As far as a carbon tax goes, I'd have to read into it before forming an opinion of any kind. Really though, the way I see it is that nothing is sustainable ultimately if your population keeps expanding past a certain point.

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What will be will be. The Earth isn't designed for anything. It just happens to have an atmosphere that will support our type of life. IMO I think we will eventually manage to raise the average temperature enough to flood low lying areas along the coastlines. Won't happen overnight. May not even happen in my lifetime. It's time to stop thinking the guy in the sky will take care of everything and do it ourselves. Even if our follies have nothing to do with warming it would be nice to reduce air pollution and all the health problems it causes.

 

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Ever see the movie Waterworld? I get seasick so I would much rather see it go the other way like deserts.

 

[Dunkopf]

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I never saw that. What was the premise for so much water? On that note I never understood the Noahs Ark fable. Where did all the rain come from and where did all the water go when it was over. The Earth is in kind of a closed bubble so when water evaporates it goes in the atmosphere and comes back down as precipitation. So where did the water supply come from? It doesn't equate.

 

[KristyHall]

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I never saw that. What was the premise for so much water? On that note I never understood the Noahs Ark fable. Where did all the rain come from and where did all the water go when it was over. The Earth is in kind of a closed bubble so when water evaporates it goes in the atmosphere and comes back down as precipitation. So where did the water supply come from? It doesn't equate.

I saw parts of that movie and wondered much the same thing. even if all the ice caps melted we still would have land. It's logic is as flawed as the 2012 movie