the cream gene

[babymakes6]

Sorry, Nicalandia, but I have to say that is the ugliest rooster I have ever seen!

 

[nicalandia]

So you would be crossing him to the wildtype hen to see if her feathers are diluted?

Also, is wildtype a sex linked thing? I hatched a serama chick whose feathers are coming in wildtype, so I'm wondering if this is an indication that she's a she?

I will be using him to further Isolate the Lemon(Di Dilute) gene from other genes I picked up from the Lemon buff hen mother and the Brown Red game father..

my goal is to get a pure wildtype bird(most wildtype genes are recessive, but not all) with the Lemon gene(Dilute, autosomal Dominant Dilute)

this is how a Silver Wildtype Pair looks like(also known as Silver duckwing) with a genetic code of e+/e+(wildtype) S/S(silver, dominant sexlinked) di+/di+(none dilute) Ig+/Ig+(none cream)



this is how a gold wildtype pair looks like(also know as light brown/black breasted red/gold duckwing) with a genetic code of e+/e+(wildtype, recessive autosomal) s+/s+(gold,recessive sexlinked) di+/di+(none dilute, autosomal) Ig+/Ig+(none cream, autosomal)



as you can see the Only difference between both birds are the Silver or gold sex linked genes, with other genes one can intensify such traits, these genes can be Red enhancers, Red Diluters, or the mix of both...


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here we add the "Cream" gene(ig/ig recessive autosomal) to the gold(s+/s+) wildtype genome(basically the same as gold but with cream included), my Lemon duckwing(Di Dilute) birds should look just as nice


now here are the "Golden" duckwing birds, this golden looks just like cream but Only the roosters as the hens can look Silver or Gold there are not "golden" hens. the issue with this way of creating a cream/lemon look a like is that it will never breed troo...




another way to create a Lemon/Cream duckwing look a like but "True Breeding" (which is not my final intention, what I want is to Isolate it and then use it on other genomes) is to use the Salmon Faverolle genetic make up(salmon faverolle roos have the "Duckwing" Phenotype, but hens dont because they are wheaten eWh, not wildtype e+)

here is the Salmon Faverolle rooster(looks golden/Cream/Lemon duckwing)





whats the Salmon Faverolle genetic make up? well he is Silver(S/S just like the one posted early) eWh/eWh(dominant wheaten, autosomal) and he has Red enhancers on him, like autosomal red and Mahogany(Mh, found on RIR)

but again my aim is to Isolate the Lemon(Di dominant Dilute, autosomal) gene at first then use it on other genotypes

 

[nicalandia]

Sorry, Nicalandia, but I have to say that is the ugliest rooster I have ever seen!

I see past Phenotypes.. I carry my Genetic decoder goggles all the time...

 

[babymakes6]

I see past Phenotypes.. I carry my Genetic decoder goggles all the time...

And I admire you for that!

You have already taught me a lot-you make it fairly easy to understand, but I will never be a geneticist!

 

[nicalandia]

And I admire you for that!

You have already taught me a lot-you make it fairly easy to understand, but I will never be a geneticist!

I was born a Scientist, I love numbers, genetics, chemicals.

statistics are second nature to me, I see people and I see numbers in them, I see numbers and I see endless opportunities

 

[draye]

Okay sorry if I'm hijacking this thread, but I have a question about the creme gene?

Will the creme gene in the Creme Brabanter dilute the buff color as in a Buff Laced Polish?
I acquired a couple of Creme Brabanter hens ( 6 months old) and no rooster forthem, which is okay because I'm gonig to use them in a project.

Thinking about crossing them to a 1/2 Polish and 1/2 Easter Egger rooster I raised earlier this year.
He was by a Buff Laced Polish rooster out of a Silver Easter Egger. He turned out to be buff laced like daddy.
Wondering if the creme would dilute the buff.

 

[tadkerson]

Brabanter could be cream because of combination of columbian (Co*Co) and dark brown (Db*Db) and another factor??. I have produced quite a few cream birds- I have not carried out any test crosses to determine what additional factor is causing the cream color. The cream is on birchen (E*ER) birds. Can get the same on wheaten (E*Wh) also but the birds are much lighter in color. I like the cream on the birchen allele.

I have had cream brabanter and golden brabanter in the past. It would be my opinion that the cream gene would dilute the buff to a lighter buff color. Not all buffs are the same shade so you can get some variation.

Tim

 

[draye]

Brabanter could be cream because of combination of columbian (Co*Co) and dark brown (Db*Db) and another factor??. I have produced quite a few cream birds- I have not carried out any test crosses to determine what additional factor is causing the cream color. The cream is on birchen (E*ER) birds. Can get the same on wheaten (E*Wh) also but the birds are much lighter in color. I like the cream on the birchen allele.

I have had cream brabanter and golden brabanter in the past. It would be my opinion that the cream gene would dilute the buff to a lighter buff color. Not all buffs are the same shade so you can get some variation.

Tim

Thanks.





Guess that I will find out this spring. The pullets have not started laying yeet. Was told they are usually 8 to 9 months old before they start laying.

 

[nicalandia]

Okay sorry if I'm hijacking this thread, but I have a question about the creme gene?

Will the creme gene in the Creme Brabanter dilute the buff color as in a Buff Laced Polish?.

the cream gene is recessive autosomal, you need two copies of the gene on the same bird to work, so you wont see it on the first cross, you would have to cross sibling or back to cream brabanter, but why would you want the cream gene on a Buff laced phenotype? it would just Dilute the already diluted gold color even more, maybe turning it even almost silver making almost no contrast between the white lacing and the very diluted ground color..

 

[draye]

the cream gene is recessive autosomal, you need two copies of the gene on the same bird to work, so you wont see it on the first cross, you would have to cross sibling or back to cream brabanter, but why would you want the cream gene on a Buff laced phenotype? it would just Dilute the already diluted gold color even more, maybe turning it even almost silver making almost no contrast between the white lacing and the very diluted ground color..

I'm not really trying for specific colors right now. I was just wondering if the cross would make a Creme Laced bird. After thinking about it though it would more than likely be spangled or half spangled instead of lacing.

I'm just working on a crested green egg layer. I have it where the crest is good on the hens ( 1/2 Polish ands 1/2 Easter Egger) but I want a little bigger crest on the roosters (maybe 3/8 Polish and 5/8 EE) I don't really know just trying something different with the Brabanters.