the cream gene

[Triple P]

Hi,

I am new to the thread but I thought I would contribute my fun cream project which actually happened by accident.




Here is a picture of one of my Cream campine pullets from this year.

I believe this to be the true recessive cream gene. It segregates as a perfect recessive autosomal. Also it follows the rule of the down color of the cream chicks looks exactly like that of a gold chick. In the campine the females are a slightly darker gold than the cream roosters.




Here is a my original 2008 cream rooster. In this picture he looks like a silver but he was definitely golder in color. I wish I had a picture of one of my silvers so it would be easier to see the difference.


Here is a picture of one of my 2012 gold pullets just for reference.

I have no idea how the cream gene got into my line but I did no cross breeding to put it in there so it must have been present in some of my original stock. Obviously, I must have done a little too much inbreeding.

 

[Henk69]

There is often "cream" in silver breeds to suppress any red leakage and produce the bright white silver groundcolor.

 

[nicalandia]

There is often "cream" in silver breeds to suppress any red leakage and produce the bright white silver groundcolor.

this much is true, a good candidate would be Silver duckwing OEG, I see them and most of them are very clean silver.. good candidate

Edit. my first cross to gold wildtype cross eggs are already under a broody. hoping for the best(e+/eWh chicks)

 

[hallerlake]

Brabanter could be cream because of combination of columbian (Co*Co) and dark brown (Db*Db) and another factor??. I have produced quite a few cream birds- I have not carried out any test crosses to determine what additional factor is causing the cream color. The cream is on birchen (E*ER) birds. Can get the same on wheaten (E*Wh) also but the birds are much lighter in color. I like the cream on the birchen allele.

I have had cream brabanter and golden brabanter in the past. It would be my opinion that the cream gene would dilute the buff to a lighter buff color. Not all buffs are the same shade so you can get some variation.

Tim

Cream Brabanters have the ig/ig gold dilution gene.

 

[alibra]

Any headway with the cream mille projects?

 

[Lorilyn Farms]

Okay, so update on my creams. I am getting closer to isolated the cream with no darkening agents on their wings, such as in these two....







My 2nd gen light fawn (cream-based)



And my first happy accident, which I have not been able to duplicate for two years.





Until now....





I've put the lemon next to my diluted buff. You can also see them popping out in the baby pen. There is a gold neck with white feathers next to one of the lemons so that you can see they are indeed a bright yellow, with no peachiness to them. There is a double-diluted buff next to them.

So, what do I have going on? Have I finally isolated the cream gene?

 

[dcrumrin]

If one has the cream gene in a bird with eb chick down genetically and breeds it to a bird with the same relative genotype but based on e+ genes, what is the impact of the chick down on the adult plumage? In other words, what is the impact of the base genotype on the phenotype in adult plumage. I am talking about a mille fleur cross to a lemon mille fleur. Given that they are different breeds but the same phenotype yet on different chick base genes, what will be the difficulties of transferring the cream gene to the other MF colored bird?

 

[draye]

What part of this bird is considered fawn? The ones in the tail feathers?

 

[Lorilyn Farms]

Ideal Hatchery calls the entire bird "Silver Fawn Old English Game". It refers to the dun gene, but doesn't differentiate between one or two doses. Two doses is khaki.

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

Fawn is just an old English "trade" name for Dun. Yes the chocolate brown parts are what makes it Dun. All black areas will be turned to brown. Just as a blue though, they have a sport version. In blue its splash. In Dun its called khaki. They would not be considered fawn. Fawn is just what they call Dun in old English.
Similar. To how everybody calls a lavender bird a self blue.

This particular bird looks like a sun cream though. Not a silver.
Didn't read threw all the text. But looks cream in the hackle and saddle. Dun in the black areas