The difference in curly and smooth breasted Sebastopols

[Cottage Rose]

Sasa...that interesting! You should post that on the GMO thread. Do a search on this forum for GMOs. Theres a long thread discussing GMO with lots of info and links.

 

[Sundance Homestead]

Smoothes can have limited longer curls, and more people should keep some in their breeding flocks to help with wing tips and other issues when breeding.

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[Sundance Homestead]

Hi

The main difference is the the Smooth Breasted has one Curled Feather gene whereas Curled Sebastopols have a pair. Breeding a Smooth Breated to a Curled will give you 50% Smooth Breasted and 50% Curled offspring.

In the UK the Smooth Breasted is more popular and more easily found. Also they are recognised for showing in the UK. Our best Seb is a female Smooth Breasted. She is on the left of the picture with flowing feathers from the scapulars over the wings and looks very elegant.

Thank you!!!

 

[Sundance Homestead]

The classic "smooth breasted" white Sebastopol is curly all over with just a smooth breast, as described and illustrated by Pete55.
I think were the confusion comes in is, there are so many colored Sebastopols out there now that have varying degrees of smooth
and curly feathers that can range from almost all smooth to just smooth breasted so people need to be specific when
inquirying or describing especially when in the case of a purchase or a sale.
"Smooth" can mean many things depending on who you are talking to.

From all I can gather...aside from Dave Holderread developing colored Sebastopols most of the established U.S. Sebastopols breeders would never
dream of using a smooth breasted Sebastopol but I'm beginning to suspect from what Pete has told us regarding the UK Sebs not having twisted
wing tip (not to be confused with Angel Wing) that breeding curly x curly MIGHT be contributing to the common problem of TWT because smooth
breasted is favored in the UK and curly x curly breedings frowned upon.
Dave H has said breeding smooth x curly helps prevent wing disorders although I've personally had 2 - 3 cases of really on set TWT in my
smooth gander's offspring so I don't know what to think.
Since I have a small operation I can't really determine if this is the case or not but it makes sense to me that TWT is the result of the curly feather mutation
and/or breeding curly x curly.

As for using smooth individuals my best curly saddleback goose
has a very smooth father so the smooth gene does not necessarilly hinder the production of quality of long feathering.
Never-the-less people generally want curly not smooth Sebastopols so keep that in mine that when using smooth breeding stock
that around 50% of your goslings will be smooth to varying degrees. If you are just breeding a few pets and selling to a pet market
you'd be better off having all curly breeding stock.
Hope this helps and please join our specialty breed forum to learn more about Sebastopols.

My smooth saddleback gander.


Smooth gander's son


Smooth gander's daughter

 

[Iain Utah]

Sadly, breeding geese for exhibition and quality is a trend that does not last long for most people. Vicky aka Cottage Rose and Pete have not been on this forum in years. Vicky is in WA state was pretty serious in showing her birds and may still have geese, but I would not know how to reach her. Pete is in the UK, he dropped off about a decade ago, and not sure he even has geese anymore. Shelly aka celticoaks only had geese for a couple years and sold them all years ago.

 

[Sundance Homestead]

Thank you!!!

Is there anyway to sex them besides blood testing? Where do I find

Sadly, breeding geese for exhibition and quality is a trend that does not last long for most people. Vicky aka Cottage Rose and Pete have not been on this forum in years. Vicky is in WA state was pretty serious in showing her birds and may still have geese, but I would not know how to reach her. Pete is in the UK, he dropped off about a decade ago, and not sure he even has geese anymore. Shelly aka celticoaks only had geese for a couple years and sold them all years ago.

Where do I find neoprene leg bands?
Is there a way to differentiate male/female besides blood test?

 

[Iain Utah]

If you have a group hatched together, the differences in size and vocal sounds among them will reveal male vs female. Usually genders become very clear during breeding season. Not sure where to get bands today. I only used bands once at that was 12 years ago.