The Great Egg Shipping Experiment!

[ozexpat]

ronott1 sorry I think this can from my first post listing what I had learn on here. (. Not turning for 2 to 5 about days ) . I am following ronott1 advice my eggs should be here tomorrow, the main thing I am worry about is the humidity today it's 90 % outside.

i would follow rons advice too

one of the best things about BYC is the flow of ideas. one of the tough things is deciphering them.

 

[Wisher1000]

Greetings, all!

First of all, I have shipped eggs being picked up at the PO as I type this, Wheaten/Blue Wheaten Ameraucanas!! I am so excited!

Secondly, I am happy to see this discussion on this thread. This is the place to do it. Ron and Oz are two of the most intelligent, respected, experienced, and knowledgeable hatchers on BYC and I am glad that they can debate their opinions here for all of us to learn from. I especially like how they can disagree and remain courteous and respectful of each other (that doesn't always happen here - or anywhere - these days.) Each of them feels that his methods are best, according to his own research and experience, and passionately offers up that information to help others. How cool is that?! It is up to us to decide what methods we will try, or use, and to adjust our practices according to our own levels of success.

Thank you, gentlemen, YOU GUYS ROCK!!

 

[ronott1]

Ron,
On shipped eggs how long do you let them settle before putting in the incubator and then how long do you wait to start turning them once they are in there? Thanks for your input!

Dan

I let them rest until they are warmed up enough to go into the incubator. Age of eggs + shipping makes egg over 5 days old have a lower hatch rate on average. It is not much but every bit counts. I have good candler, one that costs $50.00 but is essential for working with Dark eggs like the penedesenca eggs. It is a High intensity Ova View.

1. Candle the eggs looking for micro cracks and check the air cell condition. If the air cells look like eggs from my back yard, they go into the incubator when warm--4 to 6 hours and the turner goes on!
2. Candle and the air cell is there but a little off to the side then they will sit a day or two and then turn on the turner.
3. Air cell is bubbles, then up to three days
4. Detached, on the side or not even seen(look at the other end--sometimes the air cell is not where you think it should be) up to 5

Given the awesome research from Oz, I am inclined to advise much less days except in extremely bad air cells. Also, keep in mind the resting in the incubator big end up is assuming one of those yellow 42 hole egg turners is being used. Tilting the incubator to a 45 degree angle and using a book two or three times a day is very gentle. If the Auto Turner is working in the Brinsea or rcom and the big cabinet incubators, shipped egg could be left with turning off until the third day on all of the eggs regardless of air cell condition.

The yellow egg turners used in most styro bators has a lot of vibration which may be what harms the shipped eggs. Shipped eggs need to be treated as extremely fragile. The embryo needs to rebuild itself which uses energy. An egg is a closed system. It has all the energy it will ever have to develop and hatch. Barring flock health including genetic problems caused by a weak gene pool, Stress on the egg causes the death of the embryos at the end of incubation.

 

[ronott1]

i would follow rons advice too

one of the best things about BYC is the flow of ideas. one of the tough things is deciphering them.

Yes Oz! Great stuff on this thread!

Greetings, all!

First of all, I have shipped eggs being picked up at the PO as I type this, Wheaten/Blue Wheaten Ameraucanas!! I am so excited!

Secondly, I am happy to see this discussion on this thread. This is the place to do it. Ron and Oz are two of the most intelligent, respected, experienced, and knowledgeable hatchers on BYC and I am glad that they can debate their opinions here for all of us to learn from. I especially like how they can disagree and remain courteous and respectful of each other (that doesn't always happen here - or anywhere - these days.) Each of them feels that his methods are best, according to his own research and experience, and passionately offers up that information to help others. How cool is that?! It is up to us to decide what methods we will try, or use, and to adjust our practices according to our own levels of success.

Thank you, gentlemen, YOU GUYS ROCK!!

We are having a great discussion here today! It is like getting into advanced incubation discussions. I really like the research too.

Thanks to Wisher1000 for starting this thread too.

 

[Pozees]

I agree, many thanks to Wisher (there she goes again)!

Ron, thanks for mentioning the vibrations inherent in the yellow (and white) auto turners that are made to fit most styrofoam incubators. I thought maybe I just got a couple of bad ones The Sportsman turner is so smooth in comparison.

Is there any other high intensity candler aside from the Ova View anyone else is using to see inside dark brown or thick-shelled blue and green eggs?

Oz, what is your preferred scale for weighing eggs?

 

[ronott1]

I agree, many thanks to Wisher (there she goes again)!

Ron, thanks for mentioning the vibrations inherent in the yellow (and white) auto turners that are made to fit most styrofoam incubators. I thought maybe I just got a couple of bad ones

The Sportsman turner is so smooth in comparison.

Is there any other high intensity candler aside from the Ova View anyone else is using to see inside dark brown or thick-shelled blue and green eggs?

Oz, what is your preferred scale for weighing eggs?

There is a very bright let flashlight on ebay that runs for about $35.00. I would fit an O ring gasket in it and remove the glass from it if possible.

If you can find the Kelvin value, look for a white to yellow color. Do not use a flashlight with a blue color. This one: http://www.amazon.com/Xm-l-T6-5-Mod...543806&sr=8-30&keywords=bright+led+flashlight

 

[Pozees]

Thanks Ron - after reading the information Amazon had about the flashlight, I decided to just order the Ova View after all LOL - have to get something that lets me see inside these dark eggs, as well as the really thick shelled blue and green ones. The eggs you and Jason sent have a week to go and it's driving me insane not knowing what's going on in there!

 

[ronott1]

Thanks Ron - after reading the information Amazon had about the flashlight, I decided to just order the Ova View after all LOL - have to get something that lets me see inside these dark eggs, as well as the really thick shelled blue and green ones. The eggs you and Jason sent have a week to go and it's driving me insane not knowing what's going on in there!

Welcome to the world of hatching Penedesenca eggs!

Oddly, the rose colored ones seem the hardest to candle.

I have development in them though so you should get some chicks from them. I can't wait to see what the chicks look like! The Hen is very pretty--The prettiest one of the Partridge Penes.

 

[dstinett]

The flashlight on my cell phone works well enough for me when candling

 

[ronott1]

The flashlight on my cell phone works well enough for me when candling

I have seen that on the Easter Hatch!

I will get a couple candling pictures to show the difference between the Pene eggs and the UofA blue eggs.

It is amazing to see.