The Health Care Law.

[rebelcowboysnb]

If no-one knows what are the provisions of the law, is the issue then they way in which premium payment is enforced? Some of the posts seem to be against the concept of compulsory insurance even though it exists already in other matters. If I see a weakness in this law, whatever it might be, it's that it doesn't go far enough. Most countries that have good systems have two tier ones:

1. Full State-provided care funded from taxes deducted from income at source. No limit on the care other than what is determined by medical necessity.

2. Voluntary private care paid for from own funds or private insurance. Limits on care depend on the insurance cover.

The first is available to everyone. The second offers private hospitals, private rooms, the same doctors and consultants but you see them in plush consulting rooms and other non-essential frills.

In a society where people have no money for treatment, are they left to die? What happens to tose people in the US now?

Car insurance is the only forced insurance we have an that is at the state level. Some dont have that.


See we did not get #1 we got #2 minus the word voluntary.


Right now state supported hospitals have to take care of everyone at the ER level anyway. Alive an out the door. Private clinics take care of non emergency care for the por an non profits pay for care at other hospitals... Generally private doctors an hospitals can turn people away but dont at the ER level. My sister (last month) had to fill out papers after treatment but they got her fixed then worried about pay an a non profit took care of allot of it.

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

It is not that everyone is anti-government ran health care. Its that it would be a big change in how our government operates. To do that you need to amend the constitution. Doing it any other way will never sit well even with the people that really want it.

 

[THE Curmudgeon]

I dunno.

BUT....I think that I "oppose" ObamaCare.

My most recent "Heart-Attack" ( 5th one ) was paid for by Medicaid.

I had "ONE-HELL-of a-time" getting OUT of that Hospital !!!

( I had to act VERY Healthy to get EVERYONE to notice "How GOOD I felt"...OR I couldn't get a "release" !!! )

I WANTED to go home.

Isn't THAT MY CHOICE ???

THE Curmudgeon
P.S. I was a very-tired person when I got home...but MUCH HAPPIER !!! and.....
the next day was MUCH better.

 

[JD4570]

None of this surprises me, it's been coming for some time.

The core issue here is individual liberty. The founders of this nation recognized five relationships and deemed them sacred.

The relationship between one and their Creator.

The relationship between one and their spiritual advisor. Be it priest, pastor or otherwise.

The relationship between one and their spouse/family member.

The relationship between one and their attorney.

The relationship between one and their physician.

SCOTUS has already ruled that in certain instances police departments can video tape people's conversation with their spouse, family member or attorney. This is a direct violation of the fifth Amendment.

Now they are going to allow a third party to come between you and your doctor. You will not be allowed to make you're own decisions, a bureaucrat will. Also try to pay cash, you go to jail. Under this law you must purchase insurance.

Once you purchase the insurance a number of enumerated taxes go into effect on everything involved in your treatment.

Of course you could refuse to buy the insurance and get taxed anyway. Getting taxed for doing nothing, now there is a new concept.

Makes wonder what they'll come up with next.

 

[hemet dennis]

Did anyone notice that that the health care law became easier to repeal ?

 

[THE Curmudgeon]

None of this surprises me, it's been coming for some time.

The core issue here is individual liberty. The founders of this nation recognized five relationships and deemed them sacred.

The relationship between one and their Creator.

The relationship between one and their spiritual advisor. Be it priest, pastor or otherwise.

The relationship between one and their spouse/family member.

The relationship between one and their attorney.

The relationship between one and their physician.

SCOTUS has already ruled that in certain instances police departments can video tape people's conversation with their spouse, family member or attorney. This is a direct violation of the fifth Amendment.

Now they are going to allow a third party to come between you and your doctor. You will not be allowed to make you're own decisions, a bureaucrat will. Also try to pay cash, you go to jail. Under this law you must purchase insurance.

Once you purchase the insurance a number of enumerated taxes go into effect on everything involved in your treatment.

Of course you could refuse to buy the insurance and get taxed anyway. Getting taxed for doing nothing, now there is a new concept.

Makes wonder what they'll come up with next.

None of this surprises me, it's been coming for some time.

The core issue here is individual liberty. The founders of this nation recognized five relationships and deemed them sacred.

The relationship between one and their Creator.

The relationship between one and their spiritual advisor. Be it priest, pastor or otherwise.

The relationship between one and their spouse/family member.

The relationship between one and their attorney.

The relationship between one and their physician.

SCOTUS has already ruled that in certain instances police departments can video tape people's conversation with their spouse, family member or attorney. This is a direct violation of the fifth Amendment.

Now they are going to allow a third party to come between you and your doctor. You will not be allowed to make you're own decisions, a bureaucrat will. Also try to pay cash, you go to jail. Under this law you must purchase insurance.

Once you purchase the insurance a number of enumerated taxes go into effect on everything involved in your treatment.

Of course you could refuse to buy the insurance and get taxed anyway. Getting taxed for doing nothing, now there is a new concept.

Makes wonder what they'll come up with next.

None of this surprises me, it's been coming for some time.

The core issue here is individual liberty. The founders of this nation recognized five relationships and deemed them sacred.

The relationship between one and their Creator.

The relationship between one and their spiritual advisor. Be it priest, pastor or otherwise.

The relationship between one and their spouse/family member.

The relationship between one and their attorney.

The relationship between one and their physician.

SCOTUS has already ruled that in certain instances police departments can video tape people's conversation with their spouse, family member or attorney. This is a direct violation of the fifth Amendment.

Now they are going to allow a third party to come between you and your doctor. You will not be allowed to make you're own decisions, a bureaucrat will. Also try to pay cash, you go to jail. Under this law you must purchase insurance.

Once you purchase the insurance a number of enumerated taxes go into effect on everything involved in your treatment.

Of course you could refuse to buy the insurance and get taxed anyway. Getting taxed for doing nothing, now there is a new concept.

Makes wonder what they'll come up with next.

Mikhail GORBACHEV....

Where are you? (when we NEED you.....) ???

and Anybody SEEN Tommy Jefferson lately...???

THE Curmudgeon

 

[JD4570]

Actually I did. If it does come under the Commerce Clause, which it actually doesn't but thanks to Justice Roberts it sorta now does, it can repealed like any other taxation scheme.

 

[hemet dennis]

Actually I did. If it does come under the Commerce Clause, which it actually doesn't but thanks to Justice Roberts it sorta now does, it can repealed like any other taxation scheme.

Well it doesn't come under the commerce clause.

Most bills need 60 votes to pass the Senate, but tax bills only need 51 votes.

 

[THE Curmudgeon]

Actually I did. If it does come under the Commerce Clause, which it actually doesn't but thanks to Justice Roberts it sorta now does, it can repealed like any other taxation scheme.

J.D. (mi Amigo),

The "Commerce Clause" has been s t r e t c h e d beyond ANY "reasonable" interpretation.

It has become a "Catch-All" for ANY TRIUMPH of the Federal Gub-MINT over "States-Rights".

The "State" has been a "fallacy" since Abraham Lincoln !!!

THE Curmudgeon

 

[RHRanch]

Car insurance is the only forced insurance we have an that is at the state level. Some dont have that.


See we did not get #1 we got #2 minus the word voluntary.


Right now state supported hospitals have to take care of everyone at the ER level anyway. Alive an out the door. Private clinics take care of non emergency care for the por an non profits pay for care at other hospitals... Generally private doctors an hospitals can turn people away but dont at the ER level. My sister (last month) had to fill out papers after treatment but they got her fixed then worried about pay an a non profit took care of allot of it.

In regards to the poor and uninsured, they often delay treatment or seeing a doctor because of the expense, then later end up at the emergency room where sadly enough they usually have serious problems by that point. Emergency room care is not a solution to the healthcare problem. In fact, it burdens the poor even more because then they have a huge medical bill from a er visit and if they can't pay it they may have damage to thier credit, and poor credit ratings make it hard to get lines of credit for dental care, or whatever... Its a vicious cycle. You know, as broke as I was a few years back, there was no aid for me to pay back a er visit and it took years to pay off and all of my extra income - so I couldn't even save for "emergencies" if they were to come up.... Pretty sad if you ask me.