The Health Care Law.

[THE Curmudgeon]

To paraphrase a "Country Song".....

"It may come cheap....but it don't come Free......"

I suppose it depends a LOT on....

WHO PAYS the bill....people work ( even in Hospitals )...they need their earned Pay.

WHO PAYS ?

bottom line.

THE Curmudgeon

 

[JD4570]

Actually I did. If it does come under the Commerce Clause, which it actually doesn't but thanks to Justice Roberts it sorta now does, it can repealed like any other taxation scheme.

Folks, I was being cheeky. I know it does not come under the Commerce Clause. Sheesh.

Was just saying thanks to Justice Robert's jacked up opinion it now can be removed like any other tax. Even though it isn't a tax, though now it is, even if it's not, that it is, that is not. Talk about circular logic.

That's the D.C. way don't you know.

 

[THE Curmudgeon]

Quote: Whad-ya-say ???
( Small HEAD spinning here....spin-swish here...SpInInInG hrere.....stop.)
Whad-ya-say ???

THE Curmudmudgeon....( dizzy ....)

 

[Royd]

I am also against forcing an insurance company to cover you even after your past medical records. It is a liability just like insurance is going to be hard for someone who as been in 5 wrecks.

There is a reason that I don't have insurance, besides that fact that life does not allow it, and that is because if I end up paying in thousands over a lifetime and the first time I get sick, or end up with a chronic condition that would require the insurance company to actually give my money back, they too often pull the plug and say tough luck, kid.
That kind of action would make me hunt someone down.

 

[Royd]

If no-one knows what are the provisions of the law, is the issue then they way in which premium payment is enforced? Some of the posts seem to be against the concept of compulsory insurance even though it exists already in other matters. If I see a weakness in this law, whatever it might be, it's that it doesn't go far enough. Most countries that have good systems have two tier ones:

1. Full State-provided care funded from taxes deducted from income at source. No limit on the care other than what is determined by medical necessity.

2. Voluntary private care paid for from own funds or private insurance. Limits on care depend on the insurance cover.

The first is available to everyone. The second offers private hospitals, private rooms, the same doctors and consultants but you see them in plush consulting rooms and other non-essential frills.

In a society where people have no money for treatment, are they left to die? What happens to tose people in the US now?

We don't like the bill because a healthbill that got to the point and dealt with insurance could be done in a few pages, if written straight forward,

This is equivalent to the soup you make when you clean out the fridge. As you get closer to the bottom of the pot, you say,"What the heck is that doing in here?"

 

[Royd]

In regards to the poor and uninsured, they often delay treatment or seeing a doctor because of the expense, then later end up at the emergency room where sadly enough they usually have serious problems by that point. Emergency room care is not a solution to the healthcare problem. In fact, it burdens the poor even more because then they have a huge medical bill from a er visit and if they can't pay it they may have damage to thier credit, and poor credit ratings make it hard to get lines of credit for dental care, or whatever... Its a vicious cycle. You know, as broke as I was a few years back, there was no aid for me to pay back a er visit and it took years to pay off and all of my extra income - so I couldn't even save for "emergencies" if they were to come up.... Pretty sad if you ask me.

That just seems to be the cycle of life, though. How about those criminal payday loan and pawnshops? They keep the poor in bondage for a lifetime over a $500 loan? As far as I am concerned, such usury is criminal and it's also against the dictates of the Bible, but the govt. allows it, because they are getting a piece of the action.

 

[ChikeeMomma]

Maybe someone could answer this for me. I am highly concerned that my premiums will continue skyrocketing just as they have been for the past three years. We don't even use it much. Our premiums have doubled in the past three years, while we decided to increase our deductible every year or six months. So we are paying double for much less coverage. I am sick to death of getting a notice every six months, whereas, five years ago, I'd might get a very, very small increase ince a year. So how much more am I going to be forking out for premiums? I feel like it's absolutely out of control. The increases are steep and depressing.

 

[Stephanie739]

Maybe someone could answer this for me. I am highly concerned that my premiums will continue skyrocketing just as they have been for the past three years. We don't even use it much. Our premiums have doubled in the past three years, while we decided to increase our deductible every year or six months. So we are paying double for much less coverage. I am sick to death of getting a notice every six months, whereas, five years ago, I'd might get a very, very small increase ince a year. So how much more am I going to be forking out for premiums? I feel like it's absolutely out of control. The increases are steep and depressing.

This is just a guess: Insurance company over reaction to the removal of pre existing condition clauses and denial of coverage prohibitions caused your jump. In reality, the mandates require everyone purchase policies through some sort of private market thus increasing their overall premium intake even from the healthy. I believe the prices should go down to reflect the extra premium when the dust settles.

 

[thaiturkey]

It is not that everyone is anti-government ran health care. Its that it would be a big change in how our government operates. To do that you need to amend the constitution. Doing it any other way will never sit well even with the people that really want it.

How old is the Constitution? Is it good enough for today's needs or should it be brought up to date?

 

[Stephanie739]

I agree with Jeffrey Miron again. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeffrey-a-miron/should-governments-subsid_b_840623.html