The Health Care Law.

[RHRanch]

What I don't understand is how the president's contender, Mitt, can come out and say how we do need reform. He basically said he would keep all the benefits of the Affordable Care Act but he wouldn't have any tax or mandate. It's like he is promising the world but offering no way to pay for it. I see no scrutiny towards his statements and they are just unreasonable. Another thing I've got to wonder about is the usage of the word socialism. How many people can really identify what it means to be a socialist society? Look at our friendly neighbors to the north.. they've had universal health care for a long time yet I never hear them referred to as socialists. If you listen to talking heads all day driving a narrative you start to get a distorted look at reality.

I saw this too - It was hillarious. He basically said we need the healthcare reform, the same as Obamacare, but he would do it different - no taxes, etc to pay for it. No realistic plan to pay for it. If you ask me, it shows us that he is of such a character that he will mislead people into thinking he has better alternatives when in fact he has offered no viable alternative.... At least Obama went ahead and admitted that there has to be a way to pay for this, Mitt is too worried about his election and base to be honest about the fact that such a plan has to be funded somehow.

 

[Ridgerunner]

The issue is that the SCOTUS  is separate from the other branches of government so they can be a check an balance. I believe it was in the 60 that they stopped doing that roll. They started assuming any law that passed was constitutional an when it was challenged they would try every way they could to make it "fit." The way I see it is even if even 1 of our highest judges find issue with the law its a bad law... Much less 4 of them.

If even one says its unconstitutional, I think the law should be scrapped or an amendment should be voted on. If it is a good law an amendment will pass.

I think the reason they made it so hard to pass an amendment is so that it has to stand the test of some time. I think they put several things in the Constitution (six years for Senators, for example), to reduce the problem of something becoming trendy. I refer to it as the "tyranny of the electorate". A good demagogue can stir people up enough to get things passed unless there is a cooling off period or a very steep hill to climb.

 

[Stephanie739]

I think the reason they made it so hard to pass an amendment is so that it has to stand the test of some time. I think they put several things in the Constitution (six years for Senators, for example), to reduce the problem of something becoming trendy. I refer to it as the "tyranny of the electorate". A good demagogue can stir people up enough to get things passed unless there is a cooling off period or a very steep hill to climb.

It should be challenging to pass a constitutional amendment. The process was designed that way. Thank God the politicians can't hide in their back room and without any public attention pass a constitutional amendment.

 

[Stephanie739]

Last amended May 5, 1992.

Amendments are not that hard but takes more than a 51% vote.

"Before an amendment can take effect, it must be proposed to the states by a two-thirds vote of both houses of Congress or by a convention called by two-thirds of the states, and ratified by three-fourths of the states or by three-fourths of conventions thereof, the method of ratification being determined by Congress at the time of proposal."

27 amendments sense 1789.

The 27th amendment, ratified in 1992 was submitted over 200 years ago.

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

Quote: Yea, I have always thought that was interesting.

Anyway the point is that the Constitution, though old by its date is not an old outdated document.

 

[Stephanie739]

I saw this too - It was hillarious. He basically said we need the healthcare reform, the same as Obamacare, but he would do it different - no taxes, etc to pay for it. No realistic plan to pay for it. If you ask me, it shows us that he is of such a character that he will mislead people into thinking he has better alternatives when in fact he has offered no viable alternative.... At least Obama went ahead and admitted that there has to be a way to pay for this, Mitt is too worried about his election and base to be honest about the fact that such a plan has to be funded somehow.

The Health Care Reform bill was modeled after Mitt Romney's state plan in Massachusetts when he was governor. Now the entire gop campaign plan for 2012 seems to be the repeal of health care reform. Sad..

 

[Stephanie739]

Ask your Republican representatives why the ethanol mandate they pushed onto the consumers is okay (Republican House, Senate, and President passed this mandate) Our food prices have skyrocketed because of ethanol.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Ask your Republican representatives why the ethanol mandate they pushed onto the consumers is okay (Republican House, Senate, and President passed this mandate) Our food prices have skyrocketed because of ethanol.

It was sold at the time as a way to keep gasoline prices down. Break our dependency on foreign oil. Quite popular with a lot of the voters at the time.

I'm not sure if the rise in food prices was an unintended consequence or if they actually saw it coming. I don't always give them credit for being as smart as some people think they are. Besides, they tend to look at what will buy votes today and don't look at the long term. Breaking our dependency on foreign oil was a huge issue.

I'm talking about our elected officials in general, not restricting it to any political party in particular.

 

[Royd]

What I don't understand is how the president's contender, Mitt, can come out and say how we do need reform. He basically said he would keep all the benefits of the Affordable Care Act but he wouldn't have any tax or mandate. It's like he is promising the world but offering no way to pay for it. I see no scrutiny towards his statements and they are just unreasonable. Another thing I've got to wonder about is the usage of the word socialism. How many people can really identify what it means to be a socialist society? Look at our friendly neighbors to the north.. they've had universal health care for a long time yet I never hear them referred to as socialists. If you listen to talking heads all day driving a narrative you start to get a distorted look at reality.

I've got one question for you. What's in the current bill?

So far, the major component, after it was passed, has gone from a mandate to a fine to a tax. That's just one item out of 2,700 pages. If you think that somehow, because you agree with the liberal philosophy that all risk is life should be negated, and you are going to escape the financial punishment that wrapped up in this bill, you are mistaken.

 

[Royd]

I just saw an article in the WSJ saying that 75% of the "Tax" hidden in this bill, will fall on families making less than $120,000 yr......So much for that $250,000 yr. promise.

Now, he's got to defend that action. It ain't gonna be pretty.