The Health Care Law.

[redhen]

I watched Obama's speech and as many of you know, I like the guy... but I don't get the "happy dance" comment.  I thought he kept his speech highly unpolitical.  Just like the republicans said they would act if it was overturned.. no "spiking the football."  I guess maybe Royd if you could point out specific comments of his that you felt were gloating that might help me better understand.  I think this will be one of those things that is unpopular at first but people will eventually learn to appreciate it.

How will it affect us/you? That's what I want to hear..

 

[hemet dennis]

The Obamacare thing is a joke and a political football...period.

What concerns me, the SCOTUS found the issue unconstitutional yet found a way to make it legal/constitutional. I did not think that part of the deal was in their description of powers...which is a scary thought......no matter where you stand on the main issue.

When you say they "found a way to make it legal/constitutional" What do you mean ?

The question is, is the penalty a tax and can congress make you pay a tax. It's long been held that congress can tax (it's in the constitution). So the only question is, is it a tax.
Legally it is a tax so my question is, why was the vote not 9 to 0 instead of 5 to 4

 

[hemet dennis]

How will it affect us/you? That's what I want to hear..

That depends on each person.

 

[Two Creeks Farm]

When you say they "found a way to make it legal/constitutional" What do you mean ?

The question is, is the penalty a tax and can congress make you pay a tax. It's long been held that congress can tax (it's in the constitution). So the only question is, is it a tax.
Legally it is a tax so my question is, why was the vote not 9 to 0 instead of 5 to 4

The "law" was presented as a fine...which was found to be unconstitutional under the commerce clause. Justice Roberts swung his vote based on the fine being considered as a "tax" when it wasn't presented that way to the court. It is indeed a "tax" and was from the start, it wasn't spelled out that way simply because the Dem's didn't want to own it as such. I don't play party lines, a crook is a crook & a lair a liar in my book.

 

[boochaces]

If I didn't have children I would seriously be weighing my options for moving out of this country. I will be voting Republican this fall. I made the mistake of voting for Obama once it won't happen again. I will not be forced to purchase health insurance. The IRS can come after me all they want.

 

[Adenium]

I'm a nurse and in school to be a nurse practitioner. I see a lot of the good and bad of the healthcare system, and believe me I've seen enough freeloaders who throw away their health and then get outrageously expensive care on the taxpayers' dime to build up a bit of ire. For all those who don't want to be forced to buy health insurance, who is going to cover you when you need care? All of us get old, all of us will need care. It will usually be much more expensive when we're elderly. Anyway, I get what you're all saying, you value your freedom, there are lots of people wasting lots of money in our system.

BUT. This country's system completely allows even responsible adults, young or old, to be left entirely screwed. Last fall, for a comparative health policy class, we read a book on health care in America compared with various other countries. It detailed the story of a young woman who developed lupus, then lost her job due to the condition and the excessive use of sick days, then of course lost her insurance because it had been through her employer, then couldn't get more insurance due to that pre-existing condition and her lack of income. She ended up dying within a few years, due to complications that could have been prevented had she been able to afford regular care. She wasn't stupid, or lazy, or coddled. She was unlucky in a system that rewards the lucky.

Yes, if you are actively dying you can get treatment at a hospital. But by the time you get to that point, it's often too late. There are many stories of abuse of the system, but there are others like that young woman who didn't deserve to die in the way she did. Just had to add in a different point of view. It's a complex issue that doesn't work well when reduced to blanket statements.

 

[hemet dennis]

The "law" was presented as a fine...which was found to be unconstitutional under the commerce clause. Justice Roberts swung his vote based on the fine being considered as a "tax" when it wasn't presented that way to the court. It is indeed a "tax" and was from the start, it wasn't spelled out that way simply because the Dem's didn't want to own it as such. I don't play party lines, a crook is a crook & a lair a liar in my book.

The law was presented to the court and the government did put the argument that it was a tax and it was covered under the commerce clause. They didn't put all their eggs in one basket. A rose is a rose by any other name.

If you earn more then me do you pay a higher fine or a higher tax then I do ?

Now I also think it's a bad law and will vote for who will repeal it. But you cannot judge if a law is unconstitutional by if it's a good law or not. That's not their job.

I think it's not to bad for individuals and real bad for businesses and will cause less employment.

 

[BlackBrookPoultry]

I've been paying out of pocket for our family of 4's health care for the last 6 years. Its much cheaper than paying for insurance. I think the REAL problem with our health care system is the outrageous cost of services. If there were no insurance in existance a hospital could not get away with charging $60,000 for a 4 night hospital stay. Maybe we need to get to the real root of the problem and fix that. $1200 a month for Humira? Bet they don't pay that in other countries and we probably financed the research.

I want to add I'm at the beach right now. 1/2 the people here are obese, a bunch are smoking and others are cooking in the sun. There's also a kid behind me polishing off a huge bag of potato chips. If people had to take more financial resonsibility for their health maybe they'd make better lifestyle choices.

 

[Two Creeks Farm]

The law was presented to the court and the government did put the argument that it was a tax and it was covered under the commerce clause. They didn't put all their eggs in one basket. A rose is a rose by any other name.

Roberts repeatedly asked in the early days of this case if the fine was a tax...and it was repeatedly claimed that it was NOT a tax.....this whole thing is a shell game. I am all for voting everyone out until things get back on track...

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

The Obamacare thing is a joke and a political football...period.

What concerns me, the SCOTUS found the issue unconstitutional yet found a way to make it legal/constitutional. I did not think that part of the deal was in their description of powers...which is a scary thought......no matter where you stand on the main issue.

They have not been doing there job for over 100 years.