The Health Care Law.

[Two Creeks Farm]

True but the court had to rule if it was constitutional even if they said the ball was blue.

In lies the issue as I see it....the ball was red...it was argued as being red and the court found the red ball unconstitutional ...its the after fact that the court decided a tax is constitutional which upholds the issue at hand (obamacare). I am no scholar, but it wasn't up to the court to change the argument. The issue could be any topic, i'd feel the same way, I think it is just another example of how far off track our government is and has been.

 

[Stephanie739]

Government run health care isn't terrible. Why do seniors embrace their medicare so strongly? The medicare premiums should be means tested, more in line with private insurance for those who can afford it.

I do not like federal government mandates, but the reason for it is to make certain all contribute. The insurance companies are now forced to provide coverage for pre existing conditions so people can't wait until they are sick to obtain coverage. The thought of swat team IRS agents enforcing a health care mandate is not pleasant.

I am a left leaning libertarian. My first choice is to have government out of the way entirely, not limited to health care. People should be accountable for their choices, but I won't be supporting Mitt Romney. I dislike big government Republican style more than the big government agenda of the Democrats. At least the Democrats care for the poor and more vulnerable in this country. It's Ron Paul all the way for me. Write Ron Paul in if they cheat him of the nomination. He has more delegates than most realize, by design.

 

[packinaglock]

Jimmy Carter has got to be highly relieved that this guy came along. No longer will Jimmy be remembered as the worst president ever.

 

[hemet dennis]

Not that there's really any moral high ground in Washington, but presenting such an onerous bill to the people as one thing, in order to soothe the savage beast, and then switching everything after the fact, definitely doesn't give them the moral high ground in the upcoming election.

They know that they threw this thing in the face of a defiant majority, just to buy a the votes of a disadvantaged few.

I don't think anyone has said they passed the law without some tricks. Does anyone remember Nancy saying "we need to pass this to see what's in it" ?
Did that not raise some red flags ?

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

Is a radar gun an unreasonable search ? And if it is then don't you think using them is in the general welfare to us them ?

No its not a search. Any cop can tell with his own eyes by looking down a public road if someone is speeding. Using a gun that does what he can do already is fine an is in no way a search anyway.


A search is to look at something that is not in plain view.

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

Jimmy Carter has got to be highly relieved that this guy came along. No longer will Jimmy be remembered as the worst president ever.

I was thinking Nixon...

 

[hemet dennis]

In lies the issue as I see it....the ball was red...it was argued as being red and the court found the red ball unconstitutional ...its the after fact that the court decided a tax is constitutional which upholds the issue at hand (obamacare). I am no scholar, but it wasn't up to the court to change the argument. The issue could be any topic, i'd feel the same way, I think it is just another example of how far off track our government is and has been.

Well the ball was always red the government argued is was mostly blue and the court found that a blue ball was unconstitutional but that does not make the ball blue and the court found that the ball was red and a red ball is constitutional.

Now I want any court to rule on the facts not what someone said. When you want a court to not go by the facts then we are in trouble.

 

[Royd]

I don't think anyone has said they passed the law without some tricks. Does anyone remember Nancy saying "we need to pass this to see what's in it" ?
Did that not raise some red flags ?

The only people who don't remember all the bribes and shenanigans are those who don't pay attention or those with political blinders on.

 

[hemet dennis]

I was thinking Nixon...

Anyone but Ron Paul.

 

[Two Creeks Farm]

Now I want any court to rule on the facts not what someone said. When you want a court to not go by the facts then we are in trouble.

That's the point. The argued issue was found to be unconstitutional and it should have been kicked out to be brought before the SCOTUS again under its real agenda, a TAX. That is where I differ with the court, the Justice that was the deciding vote based his vote on the tax fact and the TAX was NOT supposed to be part of the Obamacare package, even though we all knew it was LOL. Judged on its own merit, Obamacare was found unconstitutional as worded under the commerce clause....it should not have been up to the Justice to make the ruling by changing his view of the fine(tax). He used his opinion after deciding the facts didnt fit.