The Health Care Law.

[Royd]

Well now you don't have to - we all have to pay a "tax" to cover healthcare. But seriously - do you object just to paying for the birth control, or is it all medical care? Just curious?

Where does it stop? Are you willing to pay some player's condoms? How about STD testing for ladies of the night?

I'm really having a hard time seeing the screen this late at night. How about an eye appointment? Or would you rather take care of your's and let me take care of mine?

 

[hemet dennis]

Actually, yes it does. Pregnancy is still one of the most dangerous things a woman goes through and leads to a lot of long term medical complications so preventing and putting off pregnancy is a health issue.

Are you saying men and women are not equal and that women should pay more for insurance ?

 

[Matthew3590]

Anyway, I believe - my prediction - that health care premiums will eventually begin to decrease because of reform. There will be many more people contributing to the plans.

Cost will go up. Even though more people will be contributing many more will be major liabilities will also be purchasing insurance.

 

[RHRanch]

Are you saying men and women are not equal and that women should pay more for insurance ?

Not at all, men die younger on average so it all works out in the end.

(Actually men get more cancer than women, so you all might just be more costly to insurance - I think its something like 2 out of 3 men vs 1 out of 3 women) I am pointing out that womens overall health is tied to thier reproductive health and to prevent pregnancy is to prevent or put off more serious problems or complications. Ask some Moms you know about what happened to thier bodies after pregnancy, how thier bladders work, if their uterus dropped, if they need reconstructive surgery, if they developed thyroid problems or depression, and how many years it cut into thier earning - something that poor women cannot afford. And another thing, if you don't want to pay welfare to a poor woman and her kids - which is cheaper, the pill with a copay or the welfare? You said birth control isn't a health issue - you are misinformed and I have provided you some basic information that gives you an overview of some common health complications during and after pregnancy. Birth control can prevent that from happening or put off childbearing, increasing years of productivity lost from multiple pregnancies or from post pregnancy complications.

 

[RHRanch]

Where does it stop? Are you willing to pay some player's condoms? How about STD testing for ladies of the night?

I'm really having a hard time seeing the screen this late at night. How about an eye appointment? Or would you rather take care of your's and let me take care of mine?

Absolutley, it is a proven fact that health care for prostitutes and the poor reduces STD and other healh risks to the general population who are often customers who bring it home to thier communities. Happy to pay for it.

 

[Matthew3590]

Not at all, men die younger on average so it all works out in the end.

(Actually men get more cancer than women, so you all might just be more costly to insurance - I think its something like 2 out of 3 men vs 1 out of 3 women) I am pointing out that womens overall health is tied to thier reproductive health and to prevent pregnancy is to prevent or put off more serious problems or complications. Ask some Moms you know about what happened to thier bodies after pregnancy, how thier bladders work, if their uterus dropped, if they need reconstructive surgery, if they developed thyroid problems or depression, and how many years it cut into thier earning - something that poor women cannot afford. And another thing, if you don't want to pay welfare to a poor woman and her kids - which is cheaper, the pill with a copay or the welfare? You said birth control isn't a health issue - you are misinformed and I have provided you some basic information that gives you an overview of some common health complications during and after pregnancy. Birth control can prevent that from happening or put off childbearing, increasing years of productivity lost from multiple pregnancies or from post pregnancy complications.

The best birth control is abstinence. It would be nice if my insurance paid for condoms. Also you should not force an insurance company to pay for certain things.

 

[Matthew3590]

Absolutley, it is a proven fact that health care for prostitutes and the poor reduces STD and other healh risks to the general population who are often customers who bring it home to thier communities. Happy to pay for it.

Legal prostitution reduces STD's as well. Everyone is mis-using health care. The bill wasn't for health care it was for health insurance.

 

[ChikeeMomma]

Actually, yes it does.  Pregnancy is still one of the most dangerous things a woman goes through and leads to a lot of long term medical complications so preventing and putting off pregnancy is a health issue. 

http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/PregComplications.htm

http://www.womenshealth.gov/pregnancy/you-are-pregnant/pregnancy-complications.cfm

http://www.justthefactsbaby.com/mom/article/post-pregnancy-health-problems/85

http://www.health.com/health/article/0,,20411699,00.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/09/abortion-mental-health_n_1138545.html

http://thyroid.about.com/cs/pregnancy/a/postpartum.htm

Sorry, I did not read your links, but I don't think that we do pregnant women much justice in this country. Just out of my own I interest, I have read up on how other countries compare when it comes to managing pregnancy. For instance, I find it fascinating that in many places obstetricians only exist to be seen by those, who truly are high risk pregnancies. Otherwise, they see a midwife or family doctor. Obstetricians are highly trained specialists. Why has it become so normalized for a healthy woman to see an obstetrician? Would you see a cardiologist for a normal check up? No, but pregnancy is big business. Pregnancy is a completely normal function of a woman's body. So unless some true medical need arises then I don't get why we are seeing expensive specialists. In Finland (I believe), a midwife is so highly prized that if one of their patients becomes high risk and, therefore, needs to see an obstetrician, the midwife attends every appointment to be sure that the woman's true needs are met correctly.

A midwife has been trained similarly to a family physician in that they see a pregnancy as a normal part of a woman's life. Her body was made for this. Now, of course, there are women who truly need to see an OB for good reason, but many of us do not. C- Sections are big business. And not surprising is their alarming rate in this country. Midwives and family doctors have a much lower fee for pregnancy care and delivery. It does not mean they are less qualified. I have saw an OB with my first and midwives with my second and third babies. The care I received from midwives was absolutely outstanding. The OB ran unnecessary tests, urged me to take pain meds (that I about had to fight with her about while in labor), and just did not believe that my body was designed to do this without her intervention. I proved her wrong. Simply put the model of care is so vastly different from one another and does equate to big differences in the billing aspect of it all, too.

Sooo off topic from your point, but your post reminded me of this.

 

[hemet dennis]

Sorry, I did not read your links, but I don't think that we do pregnant women much justice in this country. Just out of my own I interest, I have read up on how other countries compare when it comes to managing pregnancy. For instance, I find it fascinating that in many places obstetricians only exist to be seen by those, who truly are high risk pregnancies. Otherwise, they see a midwife or family doctor. Obstetricians are highly trained specialists. Why has it become so normalized for a healthy woman to see an obstetrician? Would you see a cardiologist for a normal check up? No, but pregnancy is big business. Pregnancy is a completely normal function of a woman's body. So unless some true medical need arises then I don't get why we are seeing expensive specialists. In Finland (I believe), a midwife is so highly prized that if one of their patients becomes high risk and, therefore, needs to see an obstetrician, the midwife attends every appointment to be sure that the woman's true needs are met correctly.
A midwife has been trained similarly to a family physician in that they see a pregnancy as a normal part of a woman's life. Her body was made for this. Now, of course, there are women who truly need to see an OB for good reason, but many of us do not. C- Sections are big business. And not surprising is their alarming rate in this country. Midwives and family doctors have a much lower fee for pregnancy care and delivery. It does not mean they are less qualified. I have saw an OB with my first and midwives with my second and third babies. The care I received from midwives was absolutely outstanding. The OB ran unnecessary tests, urged me to take pain meds (that I about had to fight with her about while in labor), and just did not believe that my body was designed to do this without her intervention. I proved her wrong. Simply put the model of care is so vastly different from one another and does equate to big differences in the billing aspect of it all, too.
Sooo off topic from your point, but your post reminded me of this.

Not off topic. It's one of the main problems is people don't care what it cost if the insurance companies have to pay for it. But try to find a doctor that will say you only need to see a midwife.

 

[Stephanie739]

Cost will go up. Even though more people will be contributing many more will be major liabilities will also be purchasing insurance.

I doubt it because I foresee the government subsidizing the companies. I think they do it that way for crop insurance too, to keep it affordable for the farmers.