The Heritage Rhode Island Red Site

[gojira]

Synthetic vitamin B2... or synthetic vitamins in general. Here's the reasoning for my previous comment:
Many synthetic vitamins lack the transporters and co-factors associated with naturally occurring vitamins because they have been “isolated.” The Organic Consumers Association emphasizes that isolated vitamins cannot be used or recognized by the body in the same way as the natural version.
The natural form come in packages with other vitamins, enzymes and minerals that control the way the body recognizes, metabolizes and uses them to make what it needs.
Isolated vitamins can’t always be used by the body, and are either stored until you obtain or create the nutrients required to use them effectively or are excreted. Synthetic vitamins are also devoid of necessary trace minerals and must use the body’s own mineral reserves which may lead to dangerous mineral deficiencies.

Not exactly. I feel your reasoning is very misleading. Do you want me to explain it, or do you really care? I don't mind explaining it, but it will take quite a bit of typing, and I am not sure if you care enough about the subject. The short version is that there are factors in whole foods that increase the effect of vitamins, and some of those factors have yet to be identified. You have to remember that the field of nutrition is relatively new, so nutritionists don't know or understand everything yet. As far as enzymes in whole foods, they only make a difference pre-ingestion, as stomach acids usually denture them. The proteins that the enzymes contain can be used for other things, but the enzymes are no longer active. Even if they were active, they would most likely pass through the intestine due to their size, and would not be absorbed across the intestinal wall to perform functions within the animal. If the Organic Consumers Association really says that isolated vitamins cannot be used or recognized by the body in the same way as the natural version, they are incorrect. Some synthetic forms are as effective, if not more so, than the natural version. I can give an example if you like.

 

[mrs coop]

Hi we been breeding polish but having trouble with the chicks when coming out of incubator.not knowing why chicks dont survive

 

[Ur-ur-ur-urrr]

Not exactly. I feel your reasoning is very misleading. Do you want me to explain it, or do you really care? I don't mind explaining it, but it will take quite a bit of typing, and I am not sure if you care enough about the subject. The short version is that there are factors in whole foods that increase the effect of vitamins, and some of those factors have yet to be identified. You have to remember that the field of nutrition is relatively new, so nutritionists don't know or understand everything yet. As far as enzymes in whole foods, they only make a difference pre-ingestion, as stomach acids usually denture them. The proteins that the enzymes contain can be used for other things, but the enzymes are no longer active. Even if they were active, they would most likely pass through the intestine due to their size, and would not be absorbed across the intestinal wall to perform functions within the animal. If the Organic Consumers Association really says that isolated vitamins cannot be used or recognized by the body in the same way as the natural version, they are incorrect. Some synthetic forms are as effective, if not more so, than the natural version. I can give an example if you like.

You're absolutely right... I don't care. Save your little fingers the trouble of trying to convince me that artificial vitamins created in a test tube, which is strictly for the purpose of making money, are better than natural vitamins. I don't get into arguments with know-it-alls. You win. Now go gloat over your shallow victory.

 

[gojira]

You're absolutely right... I don't care. Save your little fingers the trouble of trying to convince me that artificial vitamins created in a test tube, which is strictly for the purpose of making money, are better than natural vitamins. I don't get into arguments with know-it-alls. You win. Now go gloat over your shallow victory. 

I am far from a know-it-all, but I get that impression about you. This is not the first time you have made a statement about nutrion, stating it as fact, and are way off the mark. Please get more knowledge before you try to mislead someone. And a political activist group is not the best source of scientific knowledge. Not all synthetic vitamins are from a test tube. I know of one man that came up with a form of Vitamin D3, and likely never saw a dime from it. He had a thirst for knowledge, and wanted to improve poultry nutrition. Again, you might want to check facts before you make statements. If you don't want to learn anything about poultry nutrition, why do you insist on making statements about it?

 

[Ur-ur-ur-urrr]

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Why? I do it just to p*ss off egotistical, self-centered, can-never-be-wrong people. If that offends you, then I've succeeded. Have a great day.

 

[gojira]

You must get bored a lot if you post on here to p*ss yourself off. I am the farthest thing from what you describe. I don't know it all, but I choose to not type or open my mouth if I don't know what I am talking about, so when I type or speak, I can do it with confidence. I know enough to be able to back up what I say. If i don't know about something, i ask questions, i don't make statements. Granted, i also ask questions to see what a person's level of understanding is, or to provoke thought. I just thought people on this forum would like to know facts, not a statement created by a political activist group (Organic Consumers Association) to further their cause. Just remember, in life, and on this site, you never know the background of the person you are speaking to.

 

[Ur-ur-ur-urrr]

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The only thing I've seen you provoke are arguments. In case you don't know, you have quite a reputation for doing just that. If you chose to use a mature approach to a meaningful discussion, this conversation would have an entirely different tone. When you pounce on someone's statement and say they have no idea what they're talking about, it doesn't set well with people. If you wanted to provide pertinent information, perhaps with a reliable source for reference, your comments might have more relevance. I have conversations with the top RIR breeders in the nation most every day, so excuse me if I only listed one source of nutritional information. Oh, I didn't catch what your experience in chickens is. Like you said, you never know the background of the person you're speaking to. I have enough roosters crowing, so I don't care to listen to people crowing. I need to go congratulate Dennis Myers on his fine bird showing, see how Matt Ulrich is doing in the shows, and chat with many more. It's been interesting chatting with you, but I have better things to do, like talk to people who are a little more humble. People who have tact, and can offer a different set of opinions without coming across as pompous azzes. So consider this as "goodbye". PS: I know you'll respond with some ******** reply, and I don't care. It'll just be there for you to stare at. By the way, this is the "HERITAGE RIR" thread, so those like you who are trying to figure out how to make your hatchery RIR better have no place here. And it's not called lurking... it's trolling. No one likes a troll. I'm done here. Goodbye.

 

[cmom]

Hi we been breeding polish but having trouble with the chicks when coming out of incubator.not knowing why chicks dont survive

First

. The first things I would check is the humidity and temperature. One of the most common causes is if the humidity is too high during incubation the chicks can drown when they internally pip the air cell. Condensation builds up and they drown when they pip it. The humidity only need to be higher the last three days. This is just my opinion.

 

[cmom]

Eggs are in the hatchers. They aren't actually due to hatch until tomorrow.

 

[cmom]

I just loaded the incubator with more eggs. Since I have sent out quite a few eggs, I send out the newest and freshest and the older eggs go into the incubator, so far not bad. I have some two week old chicks in a brooder and growing like crazy. I love to watch them grow and go through all of the stages. Last year my last hatch was in June, not this year.