The Heritage Rhode Island Red Site

I have read thousands of pages on Rhode Island Reds and hatched about two thousands reds in 20 years. My brain can not come up for a reason. I see them, but I don't worry about them. I don't worry who is a pullet and who is a ckl. One year I sent ten chicks to a friend in Ohio and kept the chicks to four weeks old. I kept the chicks that walked around like little body builders, bricked up like no buddy's business, legs dead center, well spread level back, I said boy these are going to make great breeders. I kept those chicks and sent every buddy the ones that were not show champions as four week old. My friend called me back about six months latter and told me he had ten of the most fantastic pullets he ever saw all looked like peas in a pod.

I ended up that year with I think three pullets and 30 of the nicest ckls you ever saw. Stupid me. So that idea did not turn out very well.

I think there is something to the sex on the three stripes. maybe the are pullets.

in my Mohawk bantams I am looking for the darkest down color I can get, beak color that is almost totally horn, and if I see a blue down color over the wing area I do back flips as this is a lost gene from the 1930s that showed up last year.

For history purposes you can tell the new folks 30 years from now this: In or around the 1930s a fella from Florida sent a runt Rose Comb pullet to Perrin Johnson the originator of the Rhode Island Red Bantam to cross onto his bantams he was trying to make. His strain was crossed with cochins and old English bantams onto large Fowl Rhode Island Reds of that time period. They where not very dark back then like today and his stain was still pretty large about a pound or so over standard bantam weight. This female was dark as can be. The strain of old Rose Combs had a color that was unreal they said they would turn these birds outside just before dark about a half a hour before dark the color would turn to a bluish dark hue.

They said when these Rose Combs where hatched they had this blue like down color on them. So maybe this will help a little. Keep records on these chicks to see what you may see.

There is something I would like you all to look for this year when your females start laying and your males are 7 months old and fully feathered. Pull some of the saddle feathers from your males say four of them. Then get you a 3x5 index card and hold it up right long side up. The about two inches form bottom take a razor blade or very sharp knife and make a half inch cut across the card. Then about a quarter of a inch above this cut make another cut. Then slip all four of your feathers into this slit to hold your feathers in place. On the card write the name of the bird or his band number for identification. Also, look at the quill color when you pull it out of the birds back or saddle areas. What color is the quill? Is is rustic red, dark red, or the ideal color which is the reason for writing this message blood red or black.

Example: When I first saw Matt 1616 Reds that he got from Greg in Illinois I saw dark red quill color but not blood red like I had 15 years befor he got them. No big deal but this is my method of strength of color in Reds. Then he got two old pair from Florida that I sent Simmons 20 years ago. Bingo. Black Blood Red Quills.

Then one day I was moving some of the ten chicks I raised for Matt that where half and halfs. For the heck of it as I was moving this one male to a new pen I pullet his saddle feather out and BAM Blood Red. These half and halfs brought over the blood red quill color from the Florida cross.

If you don't have the blood red quill color it may take you ten years to get it to show up and 1000 bird hatching. However, if you cross a half and half or a pure Florida bird onto your Illinois or Colorado strain you should be able to introduce this good trait back into my old Mohawk line. Just a thought.

Going outside to move chicks around. I got 12 15 day old silkie chicks coming into the post office this moaning. Mr. Silkie is going to have some friends this year to hank around with. A trade with a new partner in Red Bantams.
 
Okay folks. Question for some of the old timers. lol Many many years ago when I was just a kid, my parents always had RIR's. Not from hatchery but from other local farmers. Dad and mom always let the hens set and raise chicks to replenish the flock because we butchered both hens and roosters. When our chicks were first hatched they looked like little chipmunks (ground squirrels). They had really black stripes back both sides of their backs and on their heads. I haven't seen this for a long long time. Even in hatchery RIR's. In the last 2 years I have probably received over 250 eggs/chicks from other breeders. Never have I received a chick like the ones I mentioned nor have I ever hatched one from others eggs or my own eggs. All of a sudden, this past weekend I hatched chicks from my Don Nelson line (these are dinahmoe and NYREDS females and dinahmoe cock bird. These are all pure Don Nelson lines. I had 3 with the really dark lines described above and 1 with the lines just not as pronounced. The other chicks are all just like what we all see all the time from the RIR's. Could it be that I have a hen that lays the golden egg? Do any of you breeders that breed a lot of these birds ever come across this or do any of you have comments. I think I will band these chicks so I know which ones they are as they grow and see how they turn out. This really has me confused. I couldn't see the striping until they totally fluffed up.

Including pictures taken today. These were hatched Saturday.






The chcks in the top and left in this photo is what most of our RIR chicks look like.



If you mark them I think you'll find they will be your best colourd females. Let me know if I'm right.
 
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Love those stripes I live in ct and that's exactly what I remember getting as a kid (50 at a time) They are (were) a New England staple all my life....I even had a hen called chipmunk in 1987 cause of the stripes when she was little...(she was the only one who followed me around like I was her mom) lol Glad to see they're making a comeback either striped or not striped lol

Aldo
 
I last had RIR chicks back in the 80s, and had chipmunks. At first I thought those were sex linked and they were roosters, but then I saw many turned out to be pullets. There were hen raised so I only had small numbers to compare. On average more were striped marked then not. These were quite old line RIRs that I let go. Self kicking time.

Anyhow,chipmunk marked chicks arnt anything new. I do think that they are associated with darker colored adults then lighter colored.
I know they aren't anything new. I said years ago all our's were striped like this but I haven't seen then in years.
 
If you mark them I think tou'll find they will be your best colourd females. Let me know if I'm right.
Hey Bill,
I've been waiting to hear your comment since some of the mom's are from your stock. lol I am going to either put zip ties on these 4 or just move them to their own little pen. Then I'll have to keep lots of pictures and records on them. It won't be to much work because as I've said over and over, these are the only ones I've hatched or gotten from shipped chicks in 2+ years. With only these few that have them, they could have all come from eggs from the same hen. This is something that I will be watching for in this line.
Bob,
I'm not worrying on the sex of these and really don't care if this is a way of knowing sex, I just thought maybe this was a trait from long ago on helping with color in hackles, tail etc. I just thought that maybe it was something to do with a lost gene. I can guarantee you that I know nothing about genetics but I can see stripes or no stripes.
This is something that caught my eye right away, like you with the horn color beaks, I was always so used to seeing this in RIR in years gone by then all of a sudden here it is. I have been wondering what happened to the chipmunk look in the reds for years.
Jim
 
Interesting.
This is interesting. Will see if I can find more on it now.
I'm leaning more toward Bill's thoughts to color because I've had so many RIR chicks in the last couple of years and MOST were pullets and NONE with these stripes whether faint or distinct. There were none.
I betcha everyone is going to be watching for this now. lol I think it would be neat for all of us to record how many chicks received or hatched and how many striped ones we end up with. I know I will be recording this on my site from now on. Curiosity is killing me. lol
 
Love those stripes I live in ct and that's exactly what I remember getting as a kid (50 at a time) They are (were) a New England staple all my life....I even had a hen called chipmunk in 1987 cause of the stripes when she was little...(she was the only one who followed me around like I was her mom) lol Glad to see they're making a comeback either striped or not striped lol

Aldo
I can tell by your comment that you understand exactly what I was talking about. When I'm saying as a kid, I'm talking about the early 50's. lol When I received my first RIR chicks after not having them for a while and they didn't have the stripes I was shocked. Thought I got the wrong chicks. lol
Jim
 

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