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THE ORIGIN OF ROSE COMB RHODE ISLAND REDS
BY H. G. DENNIS, in Red Hen Tales.
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1910


Having seen a number of articles in agricultural and
poultry journals on the origin of the Rhode Island Reds,
and being positive in my belief that I know where the progenitors
of the Rose Comb variety came from, with your
permission will say:
That forty-five years ago to my knowledge, there
could be found on the incoming whaleships, and in the
yards of the sailor boarding houses, and those of the Portuguese
and other foreign residents of that part of New
Bedford, bordering on the water front and known as
Fayal, as well as on a number of farms within a radius
of ten miles of the city, many specimens of red rose comb
fowls that were brought from Java, and the adjacent
islands, by the whale ships, and called by the sailors Red
Javas. The Red Javas would come as near, or nearer, to
meeting
the requirements of the Rhode Island Red standard
than the best Reds today do.
In plumage they would excel the present day Reds.
They were of an even colored rich dark red of a shade
difficult to -describe. Both male and female were dark.
The males had an elegant glossy plumage, and with what
was called in those days a bottle green tail. The females
were more subdued in color and had a black tail. They
had combs of a fine slant, of medium width terminating
with a spike, comb full and with prominent serrations,
legs of reddish yellow and medium length.
In conformation they were very long on the keel, and
straight on the back. They were very active and great
foragers and layers. In color there were three varieties of
the Javas; red, white and black, all of the same conformation
and characteristics.
That the Javas were a true or distinct breed is my
belief, as many bantams, miniature productions of the large
variety, were to be found in the places that I have before
named.
In company with some schoolmates, we had at one
time about twenty-five specimens of the Red Javas, about
two-thirds of them males. They were obtained in part
from the ships, others were bought from the foreign residents
along the water front. We kept them in a barn
in the center of the city. They soon caused a protest from
the neighbors, and we had to dispose of most of the males.
They were sold to farmers who brought produce to the
city from Little Compton, Adamsville, Westport, Dartmouth,
and to the farmers of the towns to the north and
east of New Bedford.
As many of the officers of the ships came from the
towns above named and westerly along the coast to New
London, and vessels sailed from Westport Point and New
London, it is fair to presume that some of the Javas
found their way to those sections through that channel.
I have kept the Reds many years and would not keep
any other breed. That the Red Javas were the progenitors
as a whole, or in part, of the Rose Comb Reds of today
is my belief, and there is no theory than can be advanced
or argument brought forth,' that would have any effect on
I am not one of those who is willing to say, "Never
mind the origin of the 'Reds' or any other worthy variety
of fowls." I have been breeding poultry for twenty odd
years, and I am always interested in the origin of every
breed. Go back into history with me fifty years, and we
find that, at that time, 1846-1850, different Asiatic breeds
were introduced into this country, especially in neighborhoods
that were near the coast. One variety, the Shanghai
fowl (yellow and white), was introduced just after the
Cochin China, and the two breeds for a time became confused
and "many farmers and poulterers declare, spite of
feathers, or no feathers (on the legs), that their fowls are
Cochin China's or Shanghais, just as they please." At this
time, Bennett, in his poultry book, says: "There are but
few, if any, bona fide Shanghai fowls now for sale." These
Shanghai fowls (Simon pure) were heavily feathered on
the legs, Not so with Cochin China. At this time the
Cochin China's were bred extensively in Southeastern
Massachusetts and Rhode Island. Dr. Alfred Bayless, of
Taunton, Mass., imported in July, 1846, specimens of the
yellow Cochin China's. "The cockerels were generally red."
These were not specimens of what were called the Royal
Cochin China's, as bred by the Queen of England, but
direct importations, "The Royal Cochin China's were one third
larger." The Shanghais were heavily feathered in
the legs; these imported Cochin China's lightly feathered, if
at all. The ship Huntress, in May, 1847, direct from
Cochin China, brought a pair of this variety of fowls, and
Mr. Taylor, in speaking of them, -says: "The imported
cock was a peculiar red and yellowish Dominique, and the
hen a bay or reddish brown;" that the young stock varied
"only in shade of color," Bennett says: "The legs of both,
sexes are of reddish yellow, sometimes, especially in the
cocks, decidedly red—more so than in any other variety."
How many times I have called attention to the red pigment
in a Rhode Island Red cock's legs.
So much, then, for the Red Cochin China cock of fifty
years ago. The sea captains brought home just such specimens
to Little Compton, R. I., but a little later came the
great Malay fowl, with its knotty knob of a comb—a comb
that even today occasionally is to be seen on the Rhode
Island Reds. The Jersey Blues—Bucks County and
Boobies—were inferior varieties of Malay. The Great
Malays came from the peninsula of that name at the
southern point of the continent of Asia. They were
spoken of as "serpent headed." Their color was dark
brown or reddish, streaked with yellow; some varieties of
Malays ran more red than others. In Little Compton,
was introduced what was spoken of as the Red Malay.
The Red Cochin China cocks and the Red Malay cocks were
selected, and crossed with the flocks of fowls in Little
Compton, forty and fifty years ago, the same as today.
Later, before the Wyandotte fever, the R. C. Brown Leghorn
was introduced into many flocks in this neighborhood.
Even at the time of the introduction of the Leghorn
blood, the Red fowls were spoken of as Rhode Island Reds.
In a certain section, a section where the Leghorn blood
was not used, . today old settlers speak of their fowls as
Red Malays; in this section ten years ago, the Reds were
all of the single comb variety, whereas, ten or twelve
miles further south were to be found rose combs in
abundance.
Now, Mr. Editor, let me say right here, and I wish
to say it plainly, there practically were no Pea Comb Reds
ten years ago, any more than today. Why should Rhode
Island Red fowls have pea combs? Where is the comb
to come from? It is not the common comb of barnyard
fowl. It is not the comb of any of the varieties that made
the Rhode Island Reds. I should just as much expect to
see the Reds with topknots as with pea combs, and if
Mr. Anybody wants to put topknots on them, go ahead,
only he can't sail in the Rhode Island Red boat this year.
Of course, he can sail in his own boat—and who cares.
The Pea Comb, Rocks were once admitted to the Standard,
only to be dropped again. I do not believe the Red Club
will admit Pea Combs only to drop them again. Those
that raise Reds feel differently about Pea Combs from
some of those that raise their pen and ink simply to write
about them.


Chris
 
A place to start for all of those that wish to "start their own breed' after having owned about a half a dozen chickens. This is great insight into how a great breed came come into being.
 
THE BONE OF CONTENTION HACKLE TICKING
By GEORGE SCOTT, F.Z.S. Hon. Secretary of and Club Judge to the
British Rhode Island Red Club.


Despite the oft-expressed opinions of both English and American authorities to the very positive contrary, there is a whole batch of fanciers who will, because the standard calls for a clear hackle in the male and a ticked hackle in the female, persist in the idea that double mating is essential to success. On the face of things I am free to own that this view would appear to be entirely correct. But let
us adjust our spectacles and look a little deeper. The Rhode Island Red is not, as many people are remarkably fond of asserting, a self-colored fowl. It carries in plain view certain prominent, distinct, and well-defined black markings. Experience, of a most painful kind, has pointed out with no uncertain finger that these black markings are essential to the production and retention of the desirable
rich, deep red body color. Now it is a remarkably nice point, the maintenance of the equilibrium, as it were between the black and the red. Unbalance the thing one way or the other and blank ruin stares you in the face. Err on the side of too much black and nature kicks out an ugly foot and gives you enough smutty, peppered, and lace-hackled birds to last a life-time ; eliminate just a little too much black in your matings and you will blush every time you are called upon to explain to your visitors that you don't really keep buff Rocks!
The black ticking in the female's hackle to the degree called for in the standard is, in my opinion (which opinion, by the way, is held by the most competent American authorities), a valuable and almost essential point in the production of rich, dark, even red surface color. But to include ticking in the male hackle would be to overdo the whole thing. Such a mating, with ticked hackles on both sides, would completely upset the balance and the resultant progeny would be as sorry a lot of Reds as ever sickened mortal eyes. The alternative put forward by the reformers is to have clear hackles in both
sexes. And just as surely as the ticked hackled male would cause a surfeit of black in the mating, spelling irretrievable ruin, so. would the clear hackled female, by upsetting the balance in the other direction, slowly but surely produce a race of buffs. The whole truth of the matter is that the adoption of ticked hackles in both sexes or plain hackles, it matters not one jot which, would, if the standard in its ether points were retained, involve as an absolute necessity double-mating with all its tiresome bother. The standard was framed by American fanciers after much experience with the breed. And at no time since its compilation have responsible and competent Red authorities,either in the United States or England, seen fit to change it in any solitary detail. As a result of much experimenting and the widest observation, it has been proved beyond doubt and beyond question that the present standard description of hackles is the best, most attractive, and only practical one. The opinions
of novices and outsiders notwithstanding, it is as a matter of accurate truth the only way in which it is possible to breed standard exhibition specimens without double mating.

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Chris
 
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Chris, that last photo of the female hackle feathers was a big help. I have heard of the "teal necklace" that the females should have ( and I will see if I can track down that source) but was having a hard time invisioning it. These birds are not as easy to breed as some folks think because of the details such as hackle, tail and wing coloration.

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After searching the web for the source of the "teal necklace" remark, I just realized that everything I have learned about RIR's came from none other than Robert Blosl
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I started researching the breed a year ago and found Robert's info on breeding RIR's for color. That was why I decided to find heritage Reds and get away from hatchery stock. Thanks for putting that info out there on the web Robert, it has helped just like you hope this thread will
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Ok, I found the info I was looking for. I have it printed on paper and in my "chicken" folder. It was an article by Robert Blosl
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called RHODE ISLAND REDS THE LOST SECRETS

It was on the Red Square Rhode Island Red Resource Page (I'm still looking for the link)
it was a great article that started me in the right direction with my Reds. I'll post the link as soon as I find it
 
KAUFMANN & WINDHEIM
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1911

Surface Color
To begin with the plumage must be dark; most everybody knows that but here is where the trouble lurks. The dark dirty, musty chocolate color, is not red, neither is the
dark dead appearing color red, but the kind of red we want is the bright but rich, deep looking, with plenty of strength and of the lasting kind. Both in female and male this is
true as the female is just as important as the male in the breeding yard. The color must be uniform, must be even with no light straw hackles; with no two or three shades on the surface of the male; he must have the solid black tail that sets him off. We must work up on the wing question, get the black, but get it in the right place. Never breed from a bird that
shows the slightest touch of peppering in the wing bows as that is a very bad feature. A bird with this defect will throw at least ninety per cent of the chicks full of black.

Under Color
Last of all but most important—under color. It must be red as the day of smut has passed. Many breeders think smut helps to get the rich surface color but they are sadly
mistaken. Smut will help you to get a dirty dark surface color, but not the clean rich shade that we are after. A smutty feather here and there will not do very much harm
but if a bird shows smut so strong that you cannot look at the undercolor without seeing it, discard such a bird at once. Mr. Breeder, smut will not help but it will do harm, so
cut the bird heavily that has it, no matter how good he may be otherwise. It is worse in a male than in the female. White of course is out of the question, as a bird that
shows white, no matter how perfect he may be otherwise is simply a cull. This we think most every breeder knows. Through all this color madness, however, do not let your
birds run down small but keep up the size because color and size make the Rhode Island Red and no matter if you should have all the other qualifications combined you would have
nothing if these two are left out. We have followed the above laws as closely as possible over sixteen long years and the record that our birds have made in the show room
is well known to every Rhode Island Red breeder in the country.

Chris
 
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Good God What did I start a montster?????

You guys know your stuff. This tread is on fire.

All I can do is sit back and enjoy it.

There is also a article some where called In search of the Lost Genes by some guy.

Today I was changing the water in on of my Gray Call female pens where I have three females.

I saw something that almost made me buckle and fall to my knees. A female of all things with the best Gray Call call neck I have seen live with my eyes.

I have seen pictures of them and I did see one female that Daphne Mays had at the 2002 Ohio National show and the strain that the Foleys have but I got one.

If you put breeding pressure on a certain trait long enough the lost genes will come to the surface. I saw it with the Mohawk Line of Large Fowl Reds and now with the Gray Calls.

This made my day. Eight years of breeding finaly paid off.

Keep the good stuff coming God Bless the Heritage Rhode Island Red. God Bless the Rhode Island Red Club of America .bob
 

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