The IMPORTED ENGLISH Orpington Thread

[Phantom_Rooster]

He is now 3 weeks older and a lot bigger. I am not bashing the seller. She is genuine. She is just as confused as I. I have been trying to help her figure out why so many of her Lemon Cuckoos are buff and not barred. She bought from 3 very reputable breeders. I am not going to release any names. She just wants to know why they are not barred if they supposed to be from double barred males X barred females?

 

[fifelakelooper]

I love reading and seeing all the Orps on this thread!! The breeding part is WAY over my head....but it is fascinating nevertheless. Pampered Poulty...love your site and your flocks. I would for sure invest in some 100% pure Orps but starting this winter we are spending 3 months every winter in Florida. Happy about Florida but sad that I can't get really nice birds and hatch their eggs. I will just be getting "whatever" I can that are healthy and egg laying when I come back each spring.

 

[OSUman]

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Im guessing its not a %100 English Buff Orpington, but it could just be that he is young and not filled out yet.
Heres a pic of a English Buff Orpington from Power Poultry

 

[OSUman]

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Get some for your friends then LOL.

 

[rebel yell]

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This is what a pure English rooster looks like at about 5-6 months, he is direct from Joys line, the buff just dont look pure to me, just my openion not a fact, it could be, let it grow out & see what it turns out like.

 

[radirevo]

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Here's how the barring genes should work :

Barred male (1 gene) X barred female : 50% barred males( half with 1 gene half with double gene), 25% barred females and 25% solid females
Barred male (1 gene) X solid female : 25% barred males (1 gene), 25% barred females and 50% solid colored females and males
Barred male (double gene) X barred female : 50% barred males (double gene) and 50% barred females
Barred male(double gene) X solid female: 50% barred males (1 gene) and 50% barred females
Solid male X barred female: 50% barred males(1gene) and 50% solid females.
Barred females always carry 1 barring gene, so they will always look darker.
Hope this will help you a little bit to have an idea where it could have gone wrong.
Have a nice day,

Marc

 

[OSUman]

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They arent...

 

[onthespot]

x2, they aren't. Double barred roo x barred hens, you get double barred roos and barred hens. Plus, he just looks like a fair percentage of american blood showing, his tail for one. Not only that, but the only way you could get a solid roo out of a barred program would be to be crossing a single barred roo over non-barred hens. So there's a good chance it is only 1/4 English Import blood. Just saying.... someone's either mixed up their birds, or doesn't understand the barring gene, or misrepresent'n their stuff.

 

[pampered_poultry]

Phantom_Rooster - They could be from double barred. We talked on the phone and I explained - but I wanted to post a summary here in the board......

We had 19 lemon cuckoo chicks that hatched from double barred stock the first part of the year. In that batch there were 7 roosters and of the 7 we culled 5 roosters due to their 'lack of good barring' there were 2 of the roosters that had great barring with one of them much much better than the other. In addition in that batch of hens - we had about 5 hens that did in fact show some barring.

I am of the opinion that this breed was released a little early before the cuckoo pattern in the birds were 100% defined. It will take 2 or 3 generations before I think you will see that to happen. The people who bought a limited amount of these chicks in the beginning do not have the best genetic pool to work with.....other people who bought larger quantities and culled are going to the get the best outcome. Genetically this breed needs some work and we are determined to breed out the imperfections like you have shown - but it will take time.


Take care,
Richard

 

[J's Orpingtons]

I breed Orpingtons from Keiths Orps over in England