The IMPORTED ENGLISH Orpington Thread

[deek]

Could you two have had two different lines of Lemon Cukoos from Greenfire? I have PM'd with the new owner of one of their former breeding Gold Laced trio. If you look at the Greenfire website and look at the lacing of their pictured cock, it is different than the lacing of my cockerels. That cock has "V" shaped looking lacing. Mine look as if they came from a different sire. Could Phantom Rooster's have been a former line and you have a new line of the Lemon Cuckoos? That would explain it... just wondering.

 

[Mr MKK FARMS]

Is frostbite damage,sorry.

Beautiful Birds!!

 

[wife2abirdman]

When we picked them up the seller said she thought they had frostbite on their combs(which I am now thinking is rooster or pecking damage) so when someone said it might be frostbite on their toes it made sense. Now after looking at their feet it sounds odd because I would imagine I would be seeing more damage or discoloration or even healing. There is no scabbing or discoloration on their feet or toes. But now I know they were hatched without their toenails.I double checked with the seller and she assured me that they were hatched that way.

So my original question was CAN I breed them or would it be wise to breed them? Will the hens with missing toenails pass it down to their chicks? The rooster and one buff hen that do have all their toenails, can I breed them or are they carriers for the defect? Is the toenail defect dominant or recessive? I imagine I should probably just keep them as pets and don't breed them at least the ones missing nails anyway.

 

[aveca]

that answers the question..its congenital..If it were me I would not breed any showing the defect, the others probably carry it..for myself, i wouldnt ....it will come back to haunt you..but its not my decision..its up to you..if you did , you would have to approach it like its a priority to breed that out..im not an expert about that..a lot of people in here could tell you more..

 

[aveca]

I had some Lemon Cuckoos before and a couple had the same toe defect. Greenfire had the same problem with their first line of Lemon Cuckoos. I hope that it is OK to post what they had previously posted publicly on their website. I am doing this for the sake of educating those who don't know or didn't read this before about the genetic defect that some of the Lemon Cuckoos had. Read the last paragraph. Aveca, I appreciate you for requesting that I provide this info. It seems to be the right thing to do.

yes, as long as it is used as teaching tool, not selling or promoting another site...and many english orp people are interested in lemon cukoos..so this is very valuable to them..best in injurys and diseases, but it is relevant to people shopping for these birds..it would be interesting to see if there is a breeder out there trying to work this out..

 

[TheNuttyChick]

I had some Lemon Cuckoos before and a couple had the same toe defect. Greenfire had the same problem with their first line of Lemon Cuckoos. I hope that it is OK to post what they had previously posted publicly on their website. I am doing this for the sake of educating those who don't know or didn't read this before about the genetic defect that some of the Lemon Cuckoos had. Read the last paragraph. Aveca, I appreciate you for requesting that I provide this info. It seems to be the right thing to do.

Thanks so much Phantom_Rooster for the heads up!
I have seen that on other birds and wasn't quite sure if it was an injury or too much inbreeding.
It's a good thing to know.​

 

[galanie]

Well, what Greenfire farms says is, pretty much that some carry it and some do not. I know from looking at toes on parrot types that injured toes look somewhat different from those with a birth defect. However I guess you'd have to see it in person to really make a judgement here. Cuckoo are nearly always cross bred to buffs or some such so the chances both lines carry it 100%? I don't know. Is it recessive or dominant? How can we know?

 

[vebyrd36]

Well, what Greenfire farms says is, pretty much that some carry it and some do not. I know from looking at toes on parrot types that injured toes look somewhat different from those with a birth defect. However I guess you'd have to see it in person to really make a judgement here. Cuckoo are nearly always cross bred to buffs or some such so the chances both lines carry it 100%? I don't know. Is it recessive or dominant? How can we know?

Interesting, I don't have any issues with my LCO. They are healthy. Something to ponder on. VIVI

 

[wife2abirdman]

Where I never intended to really breed them in the first place plus there are so many other reasons I will just not breed them. I will still read up on this breed and find out all that I can find out then I will buy some from a reputable breeder and go from there. It's funny they almost look like Cochins with no feathers on their legs.

I knew I liked this breed but now seeing them up close I think this may come to be my favorite breed (next to Cochins!)

Also I am going to have to build a new pen just because they are so massive next to all my other chickens

 

[Kiniska]

I hope you did not do what I did and put an untreated sapling in the coop. I gave my poor chickens mites. Now they are soaked in neem oil first.

Mites? Eeek! Glad I do not have the chicks yet. Will go out and get some neem oil and make sure to treat the wood with it. Thanks for the warning.