The Legbar Thread!

[CibolaChooks]

Thanks nicalandia. I know i can be an a s s sometimes. So sry as well

 

[nicalandia]

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No hard feeling my Brother...

 

[Pozees]

I think a large part of frustration with poultry breeding and genetics resides in the number of combinations that can result in a similar appearance. I think it's difficult to say with certainty that all possible combinations that result in a particular appearance have been accounted for. What a book says is impossible, may not be in our personal experience. It may be because at some point in a bird's genetic history a cross was made we don't know about or cannot fully account for.

I know precious little about poultry geneetics, so I don't have the vocabulary to cite any specific examples, but I would guess that any breed which continues to produce sports (and many do) will undoubtedly also continue to stymie the most learned expert. When all else fails, we must breed what we can see, and with each generation we will learn which things can be believed when seen in particular birds, and which may need further exploration. The nearest-perfect two anything bred together will not produce 100% near-perfect offspring - they may not produce any. It is part of the allure of breeding poultry.

It has been so for generations of poultry keepers and breeders. It has to have been. How else would we have so many glorious representatives of so many breeds across the world?

 

[normanack]

You are the second person in the past week who has mentioned a very small pullet. I had one as well, but she is practically the same as the others now. Are there any other breeders finding a midget/bantam like pullet in their hatched flocks?

I have one that was slightly smaller than her hatchmates as a chick. She was TINY as an adolescent, petite in every way. Now at almost-laying age she is still noticeably smaller but not tiny. I'll find a way to weigh her.

 

[1muttsfan]

Kumbaya! Love a good discussion, especially when we can all play together nicely

I do have one cockerel, not used for breeding, and slated for removal that is undersized, has always been a little on the small size and has not filled out as he matured.

 

[nicalandia]

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is interesting that the male is described as barred all over like barred rock but to a softer degree... that male's hackle and saddle, Back are all barred, specially the Shoulders, something I dont see as Often on Crele birds. Also the Tail Angle on that Legbar looks more like Leghorn..

 

[CibolaChooks]

I met a lady today who grew up on a 8000 head chicken farm. For egg production i believe . she shared what they use when their chickens are molting or egg production slows down also for the winter to keep the chickens warm. She gives them calf manna which is a 25% protein all stock feed poultry is one tablespoon per day but she said she does every other day. If your feed store doesnt have calf manna purina annimax is the same thing but if im not mistaken is 28%protein and recommends a half tablespoon a day. She says it gets them threw molting really fast and gets them laying again really fast especially in the winter

 

[CibolaChooks]

 

[TheTropix]

Since Gold Legbars lay white/tinted eggs, and have no crest so that will not work. They'd have to be the the American Gold Crested, Blue Egg-Laying Legbar & that's absurd. Gold Legbar is already an established breed, and the more colorful birds that most of us have/many prefer do not fit that breed Standard. The more colorful CCLs were represented and sold as Crested Cream Legbars, also, and in fact those are the birds that started the whole thing in America. It's a little more than insulting to suggest that we rename our CCLs with a name that's sure to be rejected.. considering the first sentence. There HAS to be a way to describe the variation, whether it's as a 2nd variety like American Crested Cream Legbar may be appropriate, since the lighter birds are geared toward the English Standard. Since the colorful birds are already here and being bred, with proper documentation, exposure at shows, once the lighter CCLs are in the SOP.. the time & documentation, show/exhibit exposure, requirements could already be met.
Would/could that speed things up for a 2nd variety of CCL?

 

[KPenley]

No, I'm sorry. Legbars will be entered in the English class because that is where they were created. There are no "American" etc etc etc named breeds, but there is an American class. The Ameraucana, I guess is the closest to what you're proposing, as in an American version of another breed. They had to basically create the breed, complete with name and description, and it ended up in the "All Other Standard Breed Class". My guess is that once the Cream birds are accepted, perhaps a different color name entirely could be thought up, and entered as a variety (ie Brown like Brown Leghorns, or Buff, or Lemon, etc.).

What I was proposing with the recreation of Gold Legbars can actually be done in 1-2 generations with an uncrested Legbar (many available) being paired with a high quality Brown Leghorn. It's not technically an outcross since it's like breeding backwards towards the origins of the Cream Legbar (the Gold Legbar). But I hear you, blue eggs are much cooler than white!