The Legbar Thread!

[DCchicken]

Great idea, larger squares are easier for old folks to see!

Squares? I plan on using egg shapes. Hold the egg up and slide it around until you find the the right color. Of course we will all have to agree upon the proper CL egg shape.

 

[normanack]

Squares? I plan on using egg shapes. Hold the egg up and slide it around until you find the the right color. Of course we will all have to agree upon the proper CL egg shape.

Since we're trying to keep warm by thinking and typing (MAN is it cold here), how about a square book, about the size of a CD case, ring-bound to lay flat (although I love the binding on this book: The Good Life Lab: Radical Experiments in Hands-On Living), each page one color, filling that whole page, and the color gradations running in sequence. So you'd open the book and flip to the general area of appropriate color, hold your egg (or feather) to each page in turn, and only ever be looking at two colors at one time. The page is big enough to surround the egg with color when you put the egg on it. I want that for Christmas, please. (And a pony. Don't forget the pony.)

 

[Ramblin Rooster]

Ramblin Rooster,

you may want to go to the Cream Legbar Club web site, and see if someone is near you with contact information -- they may have eggs you can get. In the member list - contact info is there for full members.


www.CreamLegbarClub.com

Thanks! I will check it out!

 

[DeannaA]

The OAC chart is just too inaccurate and limited for me. You might was well hold a crayon next to an egg. I am going to create a Cream Legbar chart with accurate Pantone colors since I prefer accuracy. Pantone was developed before OAC. So really, so it is odd that they would introduce a product when there was already the standard across multiple markets and one that can be used to generate web and print equivalent colors.

Choice will be a good thing. I am going to offer a color chart created just for Cream Legbars. Hopefully we will all never, ever again have to hear a judge describe cream as light butter (or whatever horribly inaccurate phrase was used). I will be giving my customers a Cream Legbar color chart with every purchase. People are free to us whatever color chart they want to use.

It's too bad there can't be a chicken breed color booklet. I would definately buy one of these as long as it's affordable. I will have to add it to my OAC, Ameraucana and Marans color charts. I see why the OAC is not so good,. I was looking for cream and there wasn't much of a choice.

Would there only be the correct colors or would the off colors also be included so people can get help to fix the problems? Would the brown, grey and salmons be included or just creams and blue/greens?

 

[ChicKat]

That's certainly another problem with the Ameraucana color chart - the size of the color samples is just too small.

Maybe too, the pictured chart can be wrapped around the egg and there is no white boarder separation. Still seems that there are actual eggs that aren't the same as actual swatches. That egg is a pretty color though.

 

[dretd]

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It will be easy for the CL Club Members to decide on the proper egg shape, getting the hens getting on board with the idea will be a little more challenging!

I like the idea of a flip-book, like you see with paint chips with a fenestration you can place over the egg to match the color better without back-ground colors. I would suggest that you could also do some experimentation with lighting so that you could recommend an ideal light source when viewing the eggs. I have noticed that when I go to match an egg to different OAC colors, depending on the light source (natural diffuse, natural direct, fluorescent, CL, LED, incandescent etc as they all containing different spectrum of t light and that can significantly change the color), I will call the egg a different OAC color.

 

[dretd]

I have an OAC chart and will get an Ameraucana one in the future. I think it is really valuable to have this so that I can track color changes over time and see trends and its also really helpful to be able to talk apples to apples with another breeder about what egg color they are getting or what the egg color will be if you are thinking of buying eggs from them.

I think that it will be very difficult to create a standard using color reference charts for what the birds should be, if that's what is being suggested. There are so many variables at place that I think it will end up being a very frustrating process especially with feather color. The color of eggs will change through the laying period. Feathers will fade as time goes on and they are exposed to light. The color pigments do not degrade at the same rate. The diet may influence the color of the feather from molt to molt. The age/condition of the chicken may influence the color. etc

So IMHO-- yes, very useful for reference but limited for use as a benchmark for correctness.

 

[normanack]

I have an OAC chart and will get an Ameraucana one in the future. I think it is really valuable to have this so that I can track color changes over time and see trends and its also really helpful to be able to talk apples to apples with another breeder about what egg color they are getting or what the egg color will be if you are thinking of buying eggs from them.

I think that it will be very difficult to create a standard using color reference charts for what the birds should be, if that's what is being suggested. There are so many variables at place that I think it will end up being a very frustrating process especially with feather color. The color of eggs will change through the laying period. Feathers will fade as time goes on and they are exposed to light. The color pigments do not degrade at the same rate. The diet may influence the color of the feather from molt to molt. The age/condition of the chicken may influence the color. etc

So IMHO-- yes, very useful for reference but limited for use as a benchmark for correctness.

Totally agree with that last statement. No judgment implied, just accurate color description among CL owners, broad enough to cover the different colors among the current general population of CLs.

In fact I'd go so far as to state that any judgment of color correctness comes from the breeder and the judge, not from the color swatches.

 

[dretd]

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Thank you for posting your pullet again Rinda.

I agree with ChicKat that she is one of the most correct pullets I have seen pictures of. Overall a very nice example of the breed. I would be inclined to hatch every egg she laid and pair her with several different roosters to see the best pairing would be. Have you weighed her--if so how does her weight compare tot he SOP?

I think this hen is a good example of a balance in the coloration (I also think her type is outstanding, btw). Her hackles appear very light but not white to my eye. The color in the proposed SOP is silver-grey and to my eye it is mostly silver (I think from the barring) and grey although I do see some warm taupy-ness to some of the feathers of the body. So she is in the middle from a spectrum of what I have seen (not a cold grey and not a pure taupy-grey that is common). It looks to me like the picture was taken when she is in the shade or cloud cover so the lighting is not direct sun-light. I wonder if her body color would change with direct sunlight?

I think the reason I brought up the body color in the SOP thread is that some folks have stated that Silver and Cream are identical in phenotype and I wanted to query everyone and get opinions about what they think. I firmly believe that Silver and Cream are different, there is more variability on how Cream birds look and that we should think carefully as we move forward about what the correctly colored hens really look like and if they match what the current description we have for them in the SOP. Much like we have done with shafting.

 

[DMRippy]

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That chart is NOT in the form of a color progression either. You know like the ones at the paint store. the colors from one side to the other are not even in the same color family..... like a green blue next to a really blue blue. All the blues should be together and all the green blues together and the gray blues together and so on. I can look at colors and say "OH that needs more.... green, blue yellow".... and that would help me find the right color.

I am going to try to post a pic. I got this for FREE at the paint store. I don't think they had many but it would sure be a better start. I have to put the pic up from my phone so it will be a different post.