The Legbar Thread!

[jerryse]

If you use brown leghorns you will get a bluer egg.

I think you are mistaken . However I have some of this cross in my brooder . So I will get to see in about 6 months .

 

[Thespoiledchicken]

That may not be true. It is possible that single Blue may give a lighter blue color while double gives a richer darker blue.

CCLs already have two blue genes and the color is not dark blue. Some genetic expert can tell what other factors/genes are involved in imparted a darker blue color but certainly not the blue gene in CCLs.

Not necessarily true. It seems that some of the recessive white cream legbars are laying white eggs

And I can tell you from personal experience that my recessive whites laid a very light sky blue egg. It is quite possible they only had a single blue gene which could be why they laid such a light egg. Just a theory being kicked around but it is indeed plausible...

 

[Junibutt]

Not necessarily true. It seems that some of the recessive white cream legbars are laying white eggs

And I can tell you from personal experience that my recessive whites laid a very light sky blue egg. It is quite possible they only had a single blue gene which could be why they laid such a light egg. Just a theory being kicked around but it is indeed plausible...

I am not discounting your experience. However, it's very plausible that Legbars which produced white sport also had other impurities. Lot of folks are breeding in brown Leghorns with Legbars. They look like Legbars and unfortunately, some folks sell them without any disclaimers, just like I was sold Line A and B Legbars without a disclaimer that they could throw white chicks.

 

[Thespoiledchicken]

I am not discounting your experience. However, it's very plausible that Legbars which produced white sport also had other impurities. Lot of folks are breeding in brown Leghorns with Legbars. They look like Legbars and unfortunately, some folks sell them without any disclaimers, just like I was sold Line A and B Legbars without a disclaimer that they could throw white chicks

Lines A, B and C carry recessive white. Recessive whites are laying very light blue eggs as well as white eggs. It makes sense then that the ones laying very light blue eggs could be heterozygous for blue. It is a very good theory I plan on exploring a bit.

And brown Leghorns were one of the breeds used to create Cream Legbars so does that make ALL cream legbars impure

 

[Junibutt]

Lines A, B and C carry recessive white. Recessive whites are laying very light blue eggs as well as white eggs. It makes sense then that the ones laying very light blue eggs could be heterozygous for blue. It is a very good theory I plan on exploring a bit.

And brown Leghorns were one of the breeds used to create Cream Legbars so does that make ALL cream legbars impure

There are many chicken breeds that are used to create a new breed, but once a true breed is established (after cleaning up the unwanted characteristics), outcrossing to a breed even if it was one of the originals used for developing it, is a risk that would bring in impurities. And yes it will bring in white egg genes into that line. Everyone is free to do as they please to their flock, however when they sell it, they need to mention the outcross, so that the buyer can make an informed decision.

 

[Thespoiledchicken]

There are many chicken breeds that are used to create a new breed, but once a true breed is established (after cleaning up the unwanted characteristics), outcrossing to a breed even if it was one of the originals used for developing it, is a risk that would bring in impurities. And yes it will bring in white egg genes into that line. Everyone is free to do as they please to their flock, however when they sell it, they need to mention the outcross, so that the buyer can make an informed decision.

I think you are missing the point. The Cream Legbars imported into this country are not necessarily all homozygous for the blue egg gene and IN THEORY being heterozygous could show as a different shade of blue. Could it not?

And the original line came to us with recessive white. A lot of us have those recessive genes floating around in our stock and most probably don't know it.

 

[Junibutt]

I think you are missing the point. The Cream Legbars imported into this country are not necessarily all homozygous for the blue egg gene and IN THEORY being heterozygous could show as a different shade of blue. Could it not?

And the original line came to us with recessive white. A lot of us have those recessive genes floating around in our stock and most probably don't know it.

I get your point!

 

[ochochicas]

Quote: The legbar blue is very light. I got mine from a "breeder". I crossed my rooster with hens that lay white eggs, and the resulting pullets also lay white eggs. Not impressed with the stock I bought, rooster was culled, now I'm going back to Ameraucanas. LOL

 

[ChicKat]

There are many chicken breeds that are used to create a new breed, but once a true breed is established (after cleaning up the unwanted characteristics), outcrossing to a breed even if it was one of the originals used for developing it, is a risk that would bring in impurities. And yes it will bring in white egg genes into that line. Everyone is free to do as they please to their flock, however when they sell it, they need to mention the outcross, so that the buyer can make an informed decision.

I think you are missing the point. The Cream Legbars imported into this country are not necessarily all homozygous for the blue egg gene and IN THEORY being heterozygous could show as a different shade of blue. Could it not?

And the original line came to us with recessive white. A lot of us have those recessive genes floating around in our stock and most probably don't know it.

Thanks Junibutt and Thespoiledchicken,

I think both of you have made points here that are important....one is that the unwanted recessive genes should have been eliminated - to be a 'pure bred CL' and the other one is that since they haven't we don't know what recessives are lurking. Thanks both of you.

 

[dretd]

Good Morning Everyone:

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4) Summary of the APA approval process and a vote from the Club on whether we invite non-club members to sign affidavits or if you need to be a Club (Kestlyn and Michael)
5) Virtual Poultry Show –August or September (Tony Markley coordinator)
6) Second Annual Egg Contest (Kestlyn Penley)
7)Interview with Michael about his Rose Comb Project



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