I am seeing light at the end of the tunnel! We almost have all my pens in the shop UP off the floor with wire bottoms. Now if I could just figure out how to control the flies YUCK! No more pine shavings or moving birds to clean pens. I think in a way it is going to be more work but in other ways so much easier. I have to rake it out about every 2-3 days but it is not that bad and does not take long. I could probably do ALL of them in a little over an hour. That is 22 pens.