The Natural Chicken Keeping thread - OTs welcome!

I asked our local grocery store about this, and they don't do it :( I was sad because it would be such a great resource. I'm hoping to find somewhere to get pumpkins cheap this fall. I planted 50 vines and not a one grew taller than six inches.

Oh man, that sucks about your pumpkins!

I called the local grocery store, which is now part of a big chain but back when I was a kid I used to sell them blueberries a flat at a time and the produce manager would write me a check, take the flat of blueberries from my arms, and put it right on the shelves with a price flag ... imagine that happening today! Anyway, when I called "my" store I was pretty much scolded about bugging them. They told me they have contracts with big pig farms. They told me not to bother anyone else with my phone call because "everyone" has contracts with pig farmers. I did call a few other grocery stores in the area ... some are locally owned but are still chains ... and was told the same thing in very much the same way, as if they'd all be through the same training seminar.
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What I haven't tried is any of the smaller produce stands or ethnic markets. There are a few of those in the area (more ethnic markets than produce stands), some seasonal, some running year-round. Unfortunately now I'm feeling timid about asking people for stuff.
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But don't let that put you off!
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I got an unexpected donation to my flock from a really odd source ... lots of bags of Shrimp Peels from a Chinese Restaurant. One of our friends had bought a Chinese restaurant where they do all the cooking from scratch (our friend converted it into a pub) but during the change of hands the lovely people selling the place showed our friend the bags of shrimp in the freezer and told her they save them for a chicken farmer, but the chicken farmer didn't pick up the last batch and did our friend want them to toss them out or leave them in the freezer for her. Our friend remembered us, so now we have them.
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I've read a bit about feeding shrimp peelings to chickens and supposedly you get eggs with bright red yolks practically within the hour. This does not happen for us -- but I'm happy to report even during our test where we gave the flock the shrimp peels a few days in a row we didn't get fishy eggs, either. What we do now is steam the peelings, then put them through the vitamix with enough water to make a thick soup, then mix in some scratch, then feed it to the flock as a special treat (not every day). The flock goes NUTS for it. But that's not much of a measure as they go nuts for anything you toss out on the ground for them. More impressive is that even the ducks come begging when this stuff walks out the kitchen door.
 
I should try the farmer's markets, to be honest I don't get that far usually, we don't have on on our back step, so to speak. There's one half an hour away I keep meaning to go to. It's just quite the expedition to go anywhere by myself. This is extra incentive to pack everyone up and take them out....

I got the same response about the pig farmers from my local grocery store. It was very discouraging. And I'm naturally pretty shy with strangers, so I'm not feeling that excited about asking around any more... But it would be worth it if I could get a supply of veggies for the chooks. And the turkeys. They're eating me out of house and home just about. I split an over large zuchhini (like, 21/2 feet long.... My mom "missed" it somehow. lol.) and everyone went nuts over it. There's nothing left of it today.
 
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So ... I'm thinking of getting some "real" birds of a "real" breed from a "real" breeder so I can reorganize my flock. I'm curious about what I should do to find out if my current birds/set-up is going to be a "safe" place to bring in birds that I'm going to be more serious about. Is there any testing I should do? How should I handle the quarantine? Should I plan to keep the new birds entirely separate from the old birds? Or can I mingle the serious birds with the hatchery birds once the quarantine period is over?

Of course I'd like to use my existing coop/pastures for the more serious birds, and I would probably like to keep my Easter Eggers and a few other "pet" or "interesting" chickens from my existing flock even after the transition (egg variety). Is this an okay plan, or should I plan to just have the one breed?

I have egg customers, so am hoping to keep egg production up until the new birds are laying well. And it will certainly take me time to get the numbers of the new birds up so they can supply all the eggs the customers expect.

Background: What I have now is over 100 hatchery birds, various hatchery breeds, chickens, ducks, and turkeys, the oldest of which were bought in April of 2012. We've added a few more batches of chicks, poults and ducklings since last April, and have also hatched out some mutts here. We've gotten rid of a number of roosters and a few hens, a batch of meat birds, and last year's turkeys.

We did get one older chicken, a rehomed rooster who free-ranges with a few escapee hens around the pasture/coop where we keep the rest of the chickens, but we don't practice bio-security with him. And we got two re-homed adult ducks, same setup. Otherwise, it has all been hatchery chicks bought from the local feed store.

I really don't think we've had any serious health issues with our flock ... very few deaths, predator or otherwise.

So ... how should I prepare for the "serious" birds?

All opinions welcome!
 
So ... I'm thinking of getting some "real" birds of a "real" breed from a "real" breeder so I can reorganize my flock.

So ... how should I prepare for the "serious" birds?

All opinions welcome!
Suggestion - find the Heritage Large Fowl thread, and look up posts by Robert Blosl and Walt (an APA judge) they are amazing resources. They also *answer* PM! from newbies! It's fabulous. They can run together, but always separate your breeders for a few weeks before collecting hatching eggs to be sure you get pure breeds... :)

Good luck!
 
I asked our local grocery store about this, and they don't do it :( I was sad because it would be such a great resource. I'm hoping to find somewhere to get pumpkins cheap this fall. I planted 50 vines and not a one grew taller than six inches.
Last year I drove around after halloween and picked up a ton of pumpkins for the chooks. I also asked family & friends to save them as well. I had enough to cover a wood pallet 2 pumpkins high :) I covered them with a tarp and threw one a week all winter out for the hens. They loved them. (warning- just remember the seeds will reseed themselves come spring so make you feed them where you dont mind pumpkin seedlings)
 
I'm not set up for it this year (I didn't do any gardening at all this year), but I plan on raising beds of assorted lettuces. Most of them are fast growing and as long as you don't cut the entire stalk they will continue to produce. This can be done in containers as well. You can also do your own bean sprouts and alfalfa sprouts in the house. These produce Very quickly!!!
 
Their finally moved into the coop except for one lone stubborn duck.






See how much space they have? Their all under me in this photo squat in the corner. The photo makes this place look smaller than it is.I need to make proper roosts though. I put two in and their not using them yet. And I put in 12 bags of shavings and dont have nearly enough so going to have to buy some more
 
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