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I need some chicken feed expert advice please! I went to a new feed mill and co-op today and was checking out their feed and prices and the man gave me this website for the company he buys his feed from.
Please tell me if you think this would be a good feed for my birds as there is no meat products just vegetables.



GUARANTEED ANALYSIS
Crude Protein, Min. 20.00%
Lysine, Min. 1.00%
Methionine, Min. 0.41%
Crude Fat, Min. 5.00%
Crude Fiber, Max. 4.50%
Calcium, Min. 0.75%
Calcium, Max. 1.25%
Phosphorus, Min. 0.75%
Salt, Min. 0.30%
Salt, Max. 0.40%
FEEDING DIRECTIONS:
5-Star F-R-M ABF All Vegetable Chick Starter Crumbles is a complete and balanced diet for starting chickens from egg-laying breeds. Begin feeding as the only source of feed after hatch to 6 weeks of age, then switch to 5-Star F-R-M ABF All Vegetable Pullet Grower. Always provide plenty of fresh, clean water.
*Note No antibiotics have been added independently to this feed. There may be a detectable residual level in DDGS, which is contained in this feed.
**No meat byproducts have been added to this feed.

This co-op does not have any other customers that buy chicken feed so he would have to buy 5 tons of it to get it delivered to him. Which means I would have to buy and use it all, not all at once but all!
So I really need some help here please!

I'd keep shopping.

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5 tons is a lot of feed. How many months do you think this would last you??

My grain guy cautions me about bulk deliver ( he does that too) and Mr RHodes has his silos filled and gone in about 3 months as I remember. Grain guy thinks this is too long. ( Grain guy owns the mill)

THe general problem is that once ground, the vitamins start to loose potency. other nutrients don't change.

Can you store it in a cool dry building??

Don't worry about the lack of meat protein. IT is hard to find in feeds now do to laws. You can add tidbits of meat as you can from other sources.
X2.
I bought some organic 16% grower from a wholesaler to try it out and was upset when I saw it was 6 months old. I shopped around and most of the organic I found was two to three times as expensive. I found the same feed from one mill and it was the same age. When I mentioned that 6 months was too old, he said "that's not old for grain". I said, "you're right but this isn't grain, it's ground grain".
I went back to my wholesaler and she said, if I would buy a half ton, they'd get it fresh. So when it came in, it must have come straight from the mill as it was only 2 days old.
I also get fishmeal from them so I can use the 16% grower and mix in fish meal (60% protein) to up the protein for those that need it.

Chicka - What other bird feed does he sell? Can you get turkey starter or game bird starter? Is there a TSC near you? I would be more comfortable feeding a mixture made of a higher protein starter and cut it with scratch or some other low protein feed to get the right percentage, You can use lots of other things to get the required nutrition for your birds. Calf Manna, black oil sunflower seeds, scratch, feed wheat, oats, etc. Just don't skip the trace minerals and vitamins that are added to the starters. I would never agree to buy 5000 lbs of feed without enough stock to eat it in a week or less.
Agreed
I never buy feed from a store without looking at the bagging date.

I am not sure how fast I can use the feed but he can store it for us till I buy what I need. We went thru 4-5 bags of feed a week last year and I am nearly doubling my flock.
Thank you for you help and input! I appreciate it so much!

I do not have to buy it all at once but he will expect me to keep buying from him till it is all used up. So he will not be stuck with it.
I can store a couple hundred pounds in my feed room. But not a whole lot more than that. I did read the list of ing. in the store and it is all pure ing. and no GMO's.
Thank you for your help and input! I appreciate it very much.
So if you double your flock, they'll be eating 400-500 lbs. a week. 5 tons would last you 20-30 weeks. IMO that's too long. and at 20% protein, you'd have to cut it with grain for non-molting adults which will make it last even longer.

I agree, along with the ingredient label.

Personally, I like feeds without Soy.
There used to be an organic mill here in MO that had a soy free feed. They supplemented field peas.
That's the only one I've seen that was soy free.
I'm going with the organic, primarily to avoid GMO. The fact that I'm getting a good price and using less by fermenting makes it affordable.
 
The protein is high enough - just t0 be sure they were getting amino acids that they cannot convert, adding 5lb per 100 of fish meal would be enough

If the mill has a lower protein product and you have access to fish meal, you would be better off - still with just a 5% add of fish meal to a 15% protein feed will boost to 17.5% and will increase lysine by 20%

Good idea.
If one has access to fish or meat meal, it's better to start with a lower protein feed.
Roosters, and growing birds over 10 weeks don't need that much protein anyway.
 
My daughter just posted that she's the only US American in her Chiang Mai hostel full of Canadians, Irish and Brits.
She said they crammed 23 people into 1 truck to go to a Thai bar-b-que today.
 
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The protein is high enough - just t0 be sure they were getting amino acids that they cannot convert, adding 5lb per 100 of fish meal would be enough

If the mill has a lower protein product and you have access to fish meal, you would be better off - still with just a 5% add of fish meal to a 15% protein feed will boost to 17.5% and will increase lysine by 20%
Thanks Oz! I will get him to bring some home to mix in the feed. I was using it last year to boost the feed for my turkey and the chickens loved it also.


Here is the website for FRM Feeds: http://frmfeeds.com/80712/288950.html

They have a 15% pullet feed that is 100% veg feed that I could add some fish meal to. The website offers many feeds to choose from I have been looking at the 5 star feeds, thinking they are the best?
 
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how old is your daughter?

my 48yo wife will spend Sunday night near BKK airport befor her Monday flight to bali

she wants to eat her self silly sun night

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I get hungry every time I think about Thai food.
My son was only there a few weeks and he's been hooked ever since. We have a couple good Thai restaurants within 4 miles of my house.
 
I'd keep shopping.

Cool. I'll be watching.

X2.
I bought some organic 16% grower from a wholesaler to try it out and was upset when I saw it was 6 months old. I shopped around and most of the organic I found was two to three times as expensive. I found the same feed from one mill and it was the same age. When I mentioned that 6 months was too old, he said "that's not old for grain". I said, "you're right but this isn't grain, it's ground grain".
I went back to my wholesaler and she said, if I would buy a half ton, they'd get it fresh. So when it came in, it must have come straight from the mill as it was only 2 days old.
I also get fishmeal from them so I can use the 16% grower and mix in fish meal (60% protein) to up the protein for those that need it.

Agreed
I never buy feed from a store without looking at the bagging date.

So if you double your flock, they'll be eating 400-500 lbs. a week. 5 tons would last you 20-30 weeks. IMO that's too long. and at 20% protein, you'd have to cut it with grain for non-molting adults which will make it last even longer.

There used to be an organic mill here in MO that had a soy free feed. They supplemented field peas.
That's the only one I've seen that was soy free.
I'm going with the organic, primarily to avoid GMO. The fact that I'm getting a good price and using less by fermenting makes it affordable.
Ok Thanks everyone! DH and I were wondering about how long it would sit around before we use it. We do have 4 other stores to buy feed from. But I have not been happy with the TSC feed! I also have tried the 2 Co-op's. That is why we were looking at this other feed store. They make their own feed and buy feed and have them brought in. But they do not have enough customers that have chickens. I was trying to find a more organic feed for a better price but I do not want any more problems. So I guess it is back to TSC :/
 
who do they sell to?

most feed is feed, pig feed may be worth looking at

I mix 55g drums of D for most birds/pigs and 15g drums of the lesser feeds

I buy 100lb fish meal, 800lb rice bran 200lb copra meal per delivery

I add a vitamin pre mix. i add additional selenium, zinc and biotin until i switch premixes

I also add amprolium for chicks

Feed Rations Chart
CATEGORY

TYPE

Pre-weaner

A
Weaners

B
Growers

C
Finishers

D
Sows

E
Boars

D
Chicks & game grower

F
Chick Grower

B
Adult

D
Quail & game Chicks

G
Game Grower

F
Quail and game Adult

E
 

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