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Discussion in 'Random Ramblings' started by Wisher1000, Jul 28, 2012.

  1. bamadude

    bamadude Overrun With Chickens

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    Ok i have 7 pullets and 2 roos living together. Im on my 1st bag of layer crumbles. Pol was 1 week ago. If i go back to grower feed and oyster shells, will the roos eat the oyster shells too? Also....Not trying to start a war but what are the advantages of organic. I assume it would be very expensive (like organic veggies at grocery store). I remember seeing on cnn a report that said organic veggies and regular veggies were pretty much equal. Just asking
     
  2. ChickenCanoe

    ChickenCanoe Chicken Obsessed

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    The rooster may pick at the oyster shell but won't feel the need to do so and won't eat enough to matter.

    In short, organic avoids GMO and chemical residues in the food. Things like herbicides, pesticides and herbicides.
     
  3. Dragonfly216

    Dragonfly216 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    No, I appreciate the honesty. You've actually spent the time in research, not to mention worked in the field, so I definitely believe, and value, your results. Thank you! That'll save me a lot of research. I will just go the route of calling everyone!
     
  4. ChickenCanoe

    ChickenCanoe Chicken Obsessed

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    You will definitely benefit from calling around.

    I did the same here and a bag of organic goes for anywhere from $22 to $50 for 50 lbs. We have a place called "pets in the city" that sells at the high end. They're relying on people not knowing any better. They (and many of the other places that carry organic) get a couple bags and hold on to them till some unsuspecting sap buys a 6 month old bag of feed, thinking they are doing the best thing for their chickens.
    One is better off with conventional fresh feed than an old bag of organic.
    Buy the freshest feed you can find and never buy a bag of feed before you look at the manufacture date on the bag.

    By the way, in my experience, TSC rotates their feed in a timely manner. After it's been at my local store a couple months they discount it heavily.
     
  5. ozexpat

    ozexpat CocoBeach Farm

    My birds get home mixed feeds

    if you want to learn about the nutrition of just about any vegetable matter http://www.feedipedia.org/

    from there I made a chart for the feeds available to me

    copra rice bran soy fish meal maize
    Main analysis Unit Avg Avg Avg Avg Avg
    Dry matter % as fed 91.5 90.2 87.9 92.2 87.2
    Crude protein % DM 22.4 12.7 51.8 70.6 9.5
    Crude fibre % DM 14.2 16.3 6.7 2.3
    NDF % DM 54.7 34.4 13.7 11.9
    ADF % DM 28.7 19.6 8.3 3.1
    Lignin % DM 6.7 6.8 0.8 0.6
    Ether extract % DM 9.8 14.4 2 9.9 4.1
    Ash % DM 6.8 12.4 7.1 18.4 1.4
    Total sugars % DM 11.4 2.8 9.4 3.1
    Gross energy MJ/kg DM 20.1 20.2 19.7 20.4 18.7
    Minerals Unit Avg Avg Avg Avg Avg
    Calcium g/kg DM 1.2 0.7 3.9 43.4 0.2
    Phosphorus g/kg DM 5.8 13.8 6.9 27.9 2.9
    Potassium g/kg DM 20.1 12.3 23.7 8.7 3.5
    Sodium g/kg DM 0.6 0.2 0.1 11.3 0
    Magnesium g/kg DM 3 6.5 3.1 2.3 1.2
    Manganese mg/kg DM 84 138 45 16 13
    Zinc mg/kg DM 73 55 54 96 23
    Copper mg/kg DM 33 9 18 7 2
    Iron mg/kg DM 964 346 367 21
    Amino acids Unit Avg Avg Avg Avg Avg
    Alanine % protein 4 5.8 4.4 6.3 7.5
    Arginine % protein 10.7 7.2 7.4 6.2 4.9
    Aspartic acid % protein 7.7 9.3 11.3 9.1 6.8
    Cystine % protein 1.2 1.7 1.5 0.8 2.2
    Glutamic acid % protein 17.8 12.7 17.7 12.6 18.1
    Glycine % protein 4.1 5.2 4.2 6.4 3.9
    Histidine % protein 1.9 2.4 2.6 2.4 2.9
    Isoleucine % protein 3 5.3 4.6 4.2 3.6
    Leucine % protein 5.9 7 7.5 7.2 11.8
    Lysine % protein 2.6 4.4 6.1 7.5 3.1
    Methionine % protein 1.3 1.9 1.4 2.7 2.1
    Phenylalanine % protein 4.1 4.4 5 3.9 4.8
    Proline % protein 3.4 4.6 4.9 4.2 8.7
    Serine % protein 4.4 4 5 3.9 4.7
    Threonine % protein 3 3.7 3.9 4.1 3.5
    Tryptophan % protein 1.3 2.2 1.3 1 0.7
    Tyrosine % protein 2.1 3.4 3.5 3.1 3.4
    Valine % protein 4.7 5.4 4.8 4.9 4.9

    Then I use a spreadsheet to work out best ratios to meet protein and lysene levels vursus cost of prduct

    poults quail chicks Peso / 100kg protein lysene mix protein lysene g/kg Pesos
    fish meal 5200 70% 7.2% 0.05 0.25 17.5% 12.6 1300
    soy meal 4000 50% 6.1% 0.03 0.00 0.0% 0.0 0
    rice bran 1300 14% 4.4% 0.01 0.75 10.5% 4.6 975
    corn bran 1800 12% 4.5% 0.01 0.00 0.0% 0.0 0
    copra meal 1350 22% 2.6% 0.01 0.00 0.0% 0.0 0
    Total 1.00 28.0% 17.2 2275
    Target 28 16.0

    220lbs of super high protein starter is $53

    Grower 6-12
    fish meal 5200 70% 7.2% 0.05 0.00 0.0% 0.0 0
    soy meal 4000 50% 6.1% 0.03 0.10 5.0% 3.1 400
    rice bran 1300 14% 4.4% 0.01 0.85 11.9% 5.2 1105
    corn bran 1800 12% 4.5% 0.01 0.00 0.0% 0.0 0
    copra meal 1350 22% 2.6% 0.01 0.05 1.1% 0.3 67.5
    Total 1.00 18.0% 8.6 1572.5
    Target 18 8.5

    Growers get 18% protein 220lbs is $36.55

    Adult Chickens protein lysene g/kg
    fish meal 5200 70% 7.2% 0.05 0.00 0.0% 0.0 0
    soy meal 4000 50% 6.1% 0.03 0.00 0.0% 0.0 0
    rice bran 1300 14% 4.4% 0.01 0.90 12.6% 5.5 1170
    corn bran 1800 12% 4.5% 0.01 0.00 0.0% 0.0 0
    copra meal 1350 22% 2.6% 0.01 0.10 2.2% 0.6 135
    Total 1.00 14.8% 6.1 1305
    Target 14 6.2

    Adult birds 220lbs is $30 versus 110lbs of layer crumble is $25

    My savings are significant. I save because I get product cheaper but also because I have less waste by feeding the right birds the right product

    I add a high quality premix vitamin and mineral suppliment as well as probiotics and I add amprolium to chicks feed - tapering it each week from 3-6

    I would think you would need to be using atleast a sack of each ingredient every 2 months if it is milled. I use 1 50kg sack of soy every 2 months, 2 sacks of fish meal, 35 sacks of rice bran and 5 sacks of copra meal. That covers poultry pigs and supplimental goat feeding
     
  6. Wisher1000

    Wisher1000 Bama Biddy

    Oh, I agree, CC, it's just that if she wants to go organic and organic all-flock is not available, she would do well to look at what IS available in organic ans supplement it to suit the age/nutritional requirements of her birds at the various stages. I LOVE pre-processed, pre packaged, pre researched feeds, but I do not require the organic versions. That is what she is having trouble finding. I use gamebird feed, Calf Manna, and BOSS as a supplement to my layer feed for my beeder birds because it is easier to buy that and feed it as needed than to have completely different feeds for the different birds. I can change the ratios as I see improvement (or lack thereof....)
     
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  7. bamadude

    bamadude Overrun With Chickens

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    Guess i will stick to frm feed then.
     
  8. Wisher1000

    Wisher1000 Bama Biddy

    Bdude, an old school breeder highly recommended frm to me last year but it is not available in my area. I wish (there I go again) that it was...
     
  9. scottcaddy

    scottcaddy Overrun With Chickens Premium Member

    BUT, you are Wisher [​IMG]

    Scott
     
  10. apteryx

    apteryx Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I was recently speaking to someone in your area that has a co-op for organic feed. I think I have their info somewhere, and I might be seeing them tomorrow. I will track down contact info and send it to you.
     
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