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[bamadude]

I asked them for it when i first got my chicks. Now they carry quite a few types of animal feed. Horse, pig, chicken. I think alot of ace hardware stores are independently owned. It wouldnt hurt to ask for it.

 

[Dragonfly216]

I knew I could count on you guys for an educated response, I didn't think it would be so quick! Thank you very much. That was the conclusion I was coming to as well. So now I need to do more research. The only places nearby that sell the grower or broiler organic feed are two hours away or more. Living near a big city seems to make my choices few and far between. On a positive note, the place I found nearby wasn't listed on the organic's site as a local distributor, so I'm hopeful that if I call every single feed store within an hour or so if me, that I might find one with organic broiler feed! That's ok right, if they don't have grower or flock raiser?

I was recently speaking to someone in your area that has a co-op for organic feed. I think I have their info somewhere, and I might be seeing them tomorrow. I will track down contact info and send it to you.

Oh wow, that would be wonderful! Thank you so much!

 

[ChickenCanoe]

I asked them for it when i first got my chicks. Now they carry quite a few types of animal feed. Horse, pig, chicken. I think alot of ace hardware stores are independently owned. It wouldnt hurt to ask for it.

Thanks but I'm in a co-op thing here for feed and seed.

 

[ozexpat]

Exactly

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rather long story but the short version is godaddy helped we all the way along - especially with SSL stuff.

they are great

 

[Cynthia12]

Here comes the heat..and I don't do heat real well. :/ I used to go out in my little 2 piece swimming suit and love the ocean visits. Didn't mind the heat at all. Or, being in a swimsuit for that matter.

I did say, used to...

 

[ChickenCanoe]

I've had to wear a coat the last 3 mornings. Upper 30s to about 40. A high of 60 today. Pretty cool for May here. We're supposed to warm up a little next week.

 

[Hangtown Farms]

I've had to wear a coat the last 3 mornings. Upper 30s to about 40. A high of 60 today. Pretty cool for May here. We're supposed to warm up a little next week.

Sacramento was around 100 Wednesday and Thursday

 

[Cynthia12]

Oh Hangtown, I dread the 100 degree weather. Happy for my air conditioner. I have one bird out there that is already panting. I'm telling her she is as bad as me. No, I'm not panting, but may just get there. I don't recall the warmer weather getting to me this early last year. Oh well, it could be that up down up down Utah weather. Our bodies are trying to acclimate, but no, not yet. We will be cooling off in a few days. Back to the 60's.

Canoe, hope you all get a bit warmer than it is..a coat, really? In Mo. at this time of year. I was born in Kansas City Mo. Moved when I was young, don't remember it too well, but did go back and visit my dad years ago..a couple of times. Very pretty.

 

[superchemicalgirl]

I've had to wear a coat the last 3 mornings. Upper 30s to about 40. A high of 60 today. Pretty cool for May here. We're supposed to warm up a little next week.

Seems like we have similar weather. Still really cool here, too cold to plant anything but cool crops in the ground. The leaves on our trees are still not completely out.

In good news, it's still not time to mow the lawn. We only do that a handful of times a year usually from June to early August.

 

[Dragonfly216]

My birds get home mixed feeds if you want to learn about the nutrition of just about any vegetable matter http://www.feedipedia.org/ from there I made a chart for the feeds available to me
[TR] copra rice bran soy fish meal maize [/TR] [TR] Main analysis Unit Avg Avg Avg Avg Avg [/TR] [TR] Dry matter % as fed 91.5 90.2 87.9 92.2 87.2 [/TR] [TR] Crude protein % DM 22.4 12.7 51.8 70.6 9.5 [/TR] [TR] Crude fibre % DM 14.2 16.3 6.7 [TD] [/TD] 2.3 [/TR] [TR] NDF % DM 54.7 34.4 13.7 [TD] [/TD] 11.9 [/TR] [TR] ADF % DM 28.7 19.6 8.3 [TD] [/TD] 3.1 [/TR] [TR] Lignin % DM 6.7 6.8 0.8 0.6 [/TR] [TR] Ether extract % DM 9.8 14.4 2 9.9 4.1 [/TR] [TR] Ash % DM 6.8 12.4 7.1 18.4 1.4 [/TR] [TR] Total sugars % DM 11.4 2.8 9.4 3.1 [/TR] [TR] Gross energy MJ/kg DM 20.1 20.2 19.7 20.4 18.7 [/TR] [TR] Minerals Unit Avg Avg Avg Avg Avg [/TR] [TR] Calcium g/kg DM 1.2 0.7 3.9 43.4 0.2 [/TR] [TR] Phosphorus g/kg DM 5.8 13.8 6.9 27.9 2.9 [/TR] [TR] Potassium g/kg DM 20.1 12.3 23.7 8.7 3.5 [/TR] [TR] Sodium g/kg DM 0.6 0.2 0.1 11.3 0 [/TR] [TR] Magnesium g/kg DM 3 6.5 3.1 2.3 1.2 [/TR] [TR] Manganese mg/kg DM 84 138 45 16 13 [/TR] [TR] Zinc mg/kg DM 73 55 54 96 23 [/TR] [TR] Copper mg/kg DM 33 9 18 7 2 [/TR] [TR] Iron mg/kg DM 964 346 367 21 [/TR] [TR] Amino acids Unit Avg Avg Avg Avg Avg [/TR] [TR] Alanine % protein 4 5.8 4.4 6.3 7.5 [/TR] [TR] Arginine % protein 10.7 7.2 7.4 6.2 4.9 [/TR] [TR] Aspartic acid % protein 7.7 9.3 11.3 9.1 6.8 [/TR] [TR] Cystine % protein 1.2 1.7 1.5 0.8 2.2 [/TR] [TR] Glutamic acid % protein 17.8 12.7 17.7 12.6 18.1 [/TR] [TR] Glycine % protein 4.1 5.2 4.2 6.4 3.9 [/TR] [TR] Histidine % protein 1.9 2.4 2.6 2.4 2.9 [/TR] [TR] Isoleucine % protein 3 5.3 4.6 4.2 3.6 [/TR] [TR] Leucine % protein 5.9 7 7.5 7.2 11.8 [/TR] [TR] Lysine % protein 2.6 4.4 6.1 7.5 3.1 [/TR] [TR] Methionine % protein 1.3 1.9 1.4 2.7 2.1 [/TR] [TR] Phenylalanine % protein 4.1 4.4 5 3.9 4.8 [/TR] [TR] Proline % protein 3.4 4.6 4.9 4.2 8.7 [/TR] [TR] Serine % protein 4.4 4 5 3.9 4.7 [/TR] [TR] Threonine % protein 3 3.7 3.9 4.1 3.5 [/TR] [TR] Tryptophan % protein 1.3 2.2 1.3 1 0.7 [/TR] [TR] Tyrosine % protein 2.1 3.4 3.5 3.1 3.4 [/TR] [TR] Valine % protein 4.7 5.4 4.8 4.9 4.9 [/TR]
Then I use a spreadsheet to work out best ratios to meet protein and lysene levels vursus cost of prduct
[TR] poults quail chicks Peso / 100kg protein lysene mix protein lysene g/kg Pesos [/TR] [TR] fish meal [TD] [/TD] [TD]5200[/TD] [TD]70%[/TD] [TD]7.2%[/TD] [TD]0.05[/TD] [TD]0.25[/TD] [TD]17.5%[/TD] [TD]12.6[/TD] [TD]1300[/TD] [/TR] [TR] soy meal [TD] [/TD] [TD]4000[/TD] [TD]50%[/TD] [TD]6.1%[/TD] [TD]0.03[/TD] [TD]0.00[/TD] [TD]0.0%[/TD] [TD]0.0[/TD] [TD]0[/TD] [/TR] [TR] rice bran [TD] [/TD] [TD]1300[/TD] [TD]14%[/TD] [TD]4.4%[/TD] [TD]0.01[/TD] [TD]0.75[/TD] [TD]10.5%[/TD] [TD]4.6[/TD] [TD]975[/TD] [/TR] [TR] corn bran [TD] [/TD] [TD]1800[/TD] [TD]12%[/TD] [TD]4.5%[/TD] [TD]0.01[/TD] [TD]0.00[/TD] [TD]0.0%[/TD] [TD]0.0[/TD] [TD]0[/TD] [/TR] [TR] copra meal [TD] [/TD] [TD]1350[/TD] [TD]22%[/TD] [TD]2.6%[/TD] [TD]0.01[/TD] [TD]0.00[/TD] [TD]0.0%[/TD] [TD]0.0[/TD] [TD]0[/TD] [/TR] [TR] Total [TD] [/TD] [TD] [/TD] [TD] [/TD] [TD] [/TD] [TD] [/TD] [TD]1.00[/TD] [TD]28.0%[/TD] [TD]17.2[/TD] [TD]2275[/TD] [/TR] [TR] Target [TD] [/TD] [TD] [/TD] [TD] [/TD] [TD] [/TD] [TD] [/TD] [TD] [/TD] [TD]28[/TD] [TD]16.0[/TD] [TD] [/TD] [/TR]
220lbs of super high protein starter is $53
[TR] Grower 6-12 [/TR] [TR] fish meal [TD] [/TD] [TD]5200[/TD] [TD]70%[/TD] [TD]7.2%[/TD] [TD]0.05[/TD] [TD]0.00[/TD] [TD]0.0%[/TD] [TD]0.0[/TD] [TD]0[/TD] [/TR] [TR] soy meal [TD] [/TD] [TD]4000[/TD] [TD]50%[/TD] [TD]6.1%[/TD] [TD]0.03[/TD] [TD]0.10[/TD] [TD]5.0%[/TD] [TD]3.1[/TD] [TD]400[/TD] [/TR] [TR] rice bran [TD] [/TD] [TD]1300[/TD] [TD]14%[/TD] [TD]4.4%[/TD] [TD]0.01[/TD] [TD]0.85[/TD] [TD]11.9%[/TD] [TD]5.2[/TD] [TD]1105[/TD] [/TR] [TR] corn bran [TD] [/TD] [TD]1800[/TD] [TD]12%[/TD] [TD]4.5%[/TD] [TD]0.01[/TD] [TD]0.00[/TD] [TD]0.0%[/TD] [TD]0.0[/TD] [TD]0[/TD] [/TR] [TR] copra meal [TD] [/TD] [TD]1350[/TD] [TD]22%[/TD] [TD]2.6%[/TD] [TD]0.01[/TD] [TD]0.05[/TD] [TD]1.1%[/TD] [TD]0.3[/TD] [TD]67.5[/TD] [/TR] [TR] Total [TD] [/TD] [TD] [/TD] [TD] [/TD] [TD] [/TD] [TD] [/TD] [TD]1.00[/TD] [TD]18.0%[/TD] [TD]8.6[/TD] [TD]1572.5[/TD] [/TR] [TR] Target [TD] [/TD] [TD] [/TD] [TD] [/TD] [TD] [/TD] [TD] [/TD] [TD] [/TD] [TD]18[/TD] [TD]8.5[/TD] [TD] [/TD] [/TR]
Growers get 18% protein 220lbs is $36.55
[TR] Adult Chickens protein lysene g/kg [/TR] [TR] fish meal [TD] [/TD] [TD]5200[/TD] [TD]70%[/TD] [TD]7.2%[/TD] [TD]0.05[/TD] [TD]0.00[/TD] [TD]0.0%[/TD] [TD]0.0[/TD] [TD]0[/TD] [/TR] [TR] soy meal [TD] [/TD] [TD]4000[/TD] [TD]50%[/TD] [TD]6.1%[/TD] [TD]0.03[/TD] [TD]0.00[/TD] [TD]0.0%[/TD] [TD]0.0[/TD] [TD]0[/TD] [/TR] [TR] rice bran [TD] [/TD] [TD]1300[/TD] [TD]14%[/TD] [TD]4.4%[/TD] [TD]0.01[/TD] [TD]0.90[/TD] [TD]12.6%[/TD] [TD]5.5[/TD] [TD]1170[/TD] [/TR] [TR] corn bran [TD] [/TD] [TD]1800[/TD] [TD]12%[/TD] [TD]4.5%[/TD] [TD]0.01[/TD] [TD]0.00[/TD] [TD]0.0%[/TD] [TD]0.0[/TD] [TD]0[/TD] [/TR] [TR] copra meal [TD] [/TD] [TD]1350[/TD] [TD]22%[/TD] [TD]2.6%[/TD] [TD]0.01[/TD] [TD]0.10[/TD] [TD]2.2%[/TD] [TD]0.6[/TD] [TD]135[/TD] [/TR] [TR] Total [TD] [/TD] [TD] [/TD] [TD] [/TD] [TD] [/TD] [TD] [/TD] [TD]1.00[/TD] [TD]14.8%[/TD] [TD]6.1[/TD] [TD]1305[/TD] [/TR] [TR] Target [TD] [/TD] [TD] [/TD] [TD] [/TD] [TD] [/TD] [TD] [/TD] [TD] [/TD] [TD]14[/TD] [TD]6.2[/TD] [TD] [/TD] [/TR]
Adult birds 220lbs is $30 versus 110lbs of layer crumble is $25 My savings are significant. I save because I get product cheaper but also because I have less waste by feeding the right birds the right product I add a high quality premix vitamin and mineral suppliment as well as probiotics and I add amprolium to chicks feed - tapering it each week from 3-6 I would think you would need to be using atleast a sack of each ingredient every 2 months if it is milled. I use 1 50kg sack of soy every 2 months, 2 sacks of fish meal, 35 sacks of rice bran and 5 sacks of copra meal. That covers poultry pigs and supplimental goat feeding

Wow! I knew from reading your GTFOH thread that you were a smart guy, but that's some great stuff! Thank you for sharing your research with me! It looks like I may have to wait until I have a pretty large flock to buy my individual ingredients, but that gives me a good idea, and that website will be great to have. I appreciate it!