The Plymouth Rock Breeders thread

[BGMatt]

Something else I keep in mind is that "most" Whites that are placing today are really oversized to the standard.  Since birds are not weighed at the shows judges are currently placing them simply because they look so big compare to the others.  I will be at the Newnan show tomorrow and will take some pix.  Holly,the lady that won BB at the Sunshine classic with one of my birds will be showing a 2013 bred pullet.  That pullet she won with is right at 7lbs.  I bet the "whites" dwarf this bird.....we'll see tomorrow

Oh I'm aware they are oversized. With large fowl the bigger the better (well so long as it's no more than 20%) according to the standard "If all else is equal preference shall be given to the larger specimen" (pretty sure that's accurate, or close to it). So for instance a 9.5 lb standard weight, which is Plymouth Rock if I recall standard correctly) can be up to 11.375 lbs, and that can be a BIG bird.

Fred: is the stay white gene a silver based white bird? If so I think that would be better for use with silver pencilled, might keep away that all too common brownish cast on the females.

 

[Fred's Hens]

You all will have to tell me, as I don't "speak genetics" and all those letters and codes.

What stay white means to me? It will cover up and hide a TON and really fool folks. What they see on the surface doesn't tell the tale of what's hiding underneath. This can really throw you into a tizzy when you cannot figure out what the heck is going on.

 

[DMRippy]

You all will have to tell me, as I don't "speak genetics" and all those letters and codes.

What stay white means to me? It will cover up and hide a TON and really fool folks. What they see on the surface doesn't tell the tale of what's hiding underneath. This can really throw you into a tizzy when you cannot figure out what the heck is going on.

True but you sometimes find some good stuff under there too

I don't have whites so no worries there..... I do have barreds and Eng Orps... but the orps might have WAY too much to over come.

I don't know the genetic code either.... maybe one day. I understand it some.

I have been reading on my Silver Penciled Wyandottes and I know they were out crossed to partridge and it is SOOOOOO hard to remove that. I have an idea how to remove it if that cross was made but not sure I want to go that route. I think keeping it on the silver genes and getting the barring out the first cross would be a good start.

I am selling a ton of birds in the next few months and when I can see my way clear I might start a project pen and just see what happens. Can't hurt.....

 

[Fred's Hens]

Brassiness haunts most of us, no matter the variety. Even the GSBR line of Frank Reese and Jeremy's XW fight some brassiness. We've seen it. We culled lots of cockerels for brassiness, especially in the summer time. I'm not sure if those who have worked with Marvin Stukel's line have seen this or not.

I know the Columbians and Silver Penciled folks fight brass and smut. That stay white White Rock sure does help with these issues, but my only experience is the the barred pattern. Outcrossing for tails, size, vigor has proven to be a good thing, but there are many, many generations of hard work to bring things back into order.

I'm still working on stabilizing the barring blur resulting from a White outcross. But the cross was so worth it, in my mind.

We culled the male on the left for brass. Notice the difference between him and his half brother next to him. One is shadowed and the other standing in the sun, but still.

 

[Yard full o' rocks]

Best of breed and reserve of breed at Newnan.

 

[Egghead_Jr]

I've got to say I don't like the White Rocks tail and back line. I must be missing something in the SOP as I've seen a few show quality females with that exact same look. It does not look right to me at all and it's best of breed?


The tail looks to drop from back line. Compare to the illustration below of flat back with slight lift of tail. Not even close and I've seen more than a few photos of these whites.

 

[aoxa]

I've got to say I don't like the White Rocks tail and back line. I must be missing something in the SOP as I've seen a few show quality females with that exact same look. It does not look right to me at all and it's best of breed.

It looks too fluffy to me. But what do I know

 

[Fred's Hens]

I've got to say I don't like the White Rocks tail and back line. I must be missing something in the SOP as I've seen a few show quality females with that exact same look. It does not look right to me at all and it's best of breed.

Many times the camera just doesn't catch them at the right time. We all know that. We all know what that back line/tail should look like.

Don't ever change from the Standard and what your mental eye. I also agree with Justine that far too many birds, including a few of my own, are feathered too loosely. Keep pushing for higher quality feathering and nice, tight feathering.

 

[Yard full o' rocks]

I watched the judging. Couldn't have been more than 75 secs per bird. I agree with you both. Too fluffy and the white looks to have a cushion to me. Rocks were not very well represented. 11-12 birds total give or take

 

[Fred's Hens]

I believe this is a pullet bred by KathyinMO out of XW stock. Beekissed has this pullet, I believe.