The Rhodebar thread!

[mrshawman]

Yes, same seller from Oklahoma. I have two other orders , 1 from N. Carolina and another from Olustee Oklahoma. Not sure what to expect now!

 

[DMRippy]

Very new to this so please keep that in mind.

Hatched Rhodebars yesterday and was wondering why my males look so different. One is very dark and the others are blond. Any info is VERY helpful! Eggs came from auction. Thanks!!

I am still learning but the BLONDE roos are wheaten and should not be breed. The darker ones would be the ones you want to keep. The darker roos they are talking about are the adults as the darker the roo the more likely he is single barred BUT That darker roo looks double barred to me. I would think you could sex these by the spots like you do barred rocks and cuckoos. The BIGGER the spot the more likely it is a roo with double barring. The smaller spots are single barred..... at least in BR and Cuckoos.

I am picking the DARKEST Pullets and the Darkest Roos to improve my next gen. I may not be able to keep Rhodebars as I am PLANNING to get the Bielefelders they are appealing to me more at this point. But if I do keep them I want the darkest birds and might have to talk RedRidge into SHARING some of her crosses as I don't have HRIR

 

[Ihilani Coffee]

I am still learning but the BLONDE roos are wheaten and should not be breed. The darker ones would be the ones you want to keep. The darker roos they are talking about are the adults as the darker the roo the more likely he is single barred BUT That darker roo looks double barred to me. I would think you could sex these by the spots like you do barred rocks and cuckoos. The BIGGER the spot the more likely it is a roo with double barring. The smaller spots are single barred..... at least in BR and Cuckoos.

I am picking the DARKEST Pullets and the Darkest Roos to improve my next gen. I may not be able to keep Rhodebars as I am PLANNING to get the Bielefelders they are appealing to me more at this point. But if I do keep them I want the darkest birds and might have to talk RedRidge into SHARING some of her crosses as I don't have HRIR

Interesting Donna. What do you think about this seller's hens' photos I posted?

 

[DMRippy]

Quote: I don't really know what a GOOD Rhodebar looks like and the Rhodebars pullets just seem..... hatchery to me. I would want DARKER pullets to work with. My pullets are darker. I know people keep all the pullets but they need lots of help.

As for the roos I don't know what genetically what is going on with them. I am new to this breed. I know my roo is double barred as I have yet to hatch a chick without a spot.



I may be wrong but I think roos are to have Red and Cream barring not WHITE in the hackles. With barred rocks... it is the amount of white showing not black in the roos that tell you they are double barred.

Double Barred BR Roo

Cuckoo Marans chicks this is a roo

Side by side pullet and roo

This is a cuckoo Marans Pullet. You can go by the head spot at this age. It is obvious at hatch.

Can you see in this pic the pullets are single barred the roo is double barred. The Pullets/hens look EQUAL in white and black but the roo has a WHITER look. (Some are blue barred and harder to see the barring)



https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/582327/the-rhodebar-thread#post_7583330 here is the standard in Europe

I like the look of this pullet..... I don't know if it is the right color.

It would be NICE to see some CORRECT BIRDS that win in Europe. Maybe I will go look.....

 

[mrshawman]

Very helpful!

 

[ortluk]

The effect of the Barring gene on the wild type down, i.e. the chipmunk striped down, is to lighten it. I'm thinking that that rooster was one of the clearly chipmunk striped with the head dot. what this would mean is that he didn't have wheaton, but was single barred. If you breed him to a pure rhodebar hen then all of the lightest chicks would be the double barred ones. Even the single barred roosters will have the headspot, but they will be darker than the double barred males because the double barring gene washes out most of the markings on the pure males.

 

[DMRippy]

The effect of the Barring gene on the wild type down, i.e. the chipmunk striped down, is to lighten it. I'm thinking that that rooster was one of the clearly chipmunk striped with the head dot. what this would mean is that he didn't have wheaton, but was single barred. If you breed him to a pure rhodebar hen then all of the lightest chicks would be the double barred ones. Even the single barred roosters will have the headspot, but they will be darker than the double barred males because the double barring gene washes out most of the markings on the pure males.

I am new to wild type down and barring but why would being double barred lighten the color of the chicks??? Barred rocks and cuckoos even golden cuckoos are not lighter at hatch with double barring. The lighter look comes later as the barring starts to express. The yellow is WHEATEN the darker chicks didn't get 2 copies of recessive wheaten.

 

[mrshawman]

In your opinion, to keep the line true, do I want to breed the darker single barred roos?

 

[DMRippy]

In your opinion, to keep the line true, do I want to breed the darker single barred roos?

I will only keep the darker roos. I want darker Rhodebars so darker roos and darker pullets should help that. I would NOT use the yellow roos. You have to admit the darker roos are EASIER to sex right? I want to breed for sexable chicks too.

 

[ortluk]

In my opinion, if you have good Heritage Rhode Island Reds. I would cross the single barred ones back to them to improve the line and Keep the double barred ones with your pure rhode bar pullets, so will have pure rhode bar eggs from your rhode bar pullets while working on improving the line in another pen. once you have all of the traits you want from the RIR in a single barred rooster cross it with pure rhode bar pullets to get back to an improved pure line.