The Rhodebar thread!

[Makomd]

So the chicks below do have the e alelle could chicks with this down be helpful where I already am. My first roo was creating 3 colors and the chicks below look exactly like the white chicks. Unfornately that roo has already been served for dinner, as the other Roo produces black and red chicks only at this point.

now this is the way to go about recreating a nice dark Rhodebars, but you may not be able to sex the F1s as they will be eWh/e+ birds, some may look all yellow(orangy due to mahogany) or they could look halfway between wheaten and wildtype..

eWh/e+ chick..

 

[nicalandia]

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yeah I feel ya...!

 

[Dahlisgrams]

Not possible at all, they both carry wheaten and wheaten cant be used as autosexing chick down



I feel like a homeless kid...

dont know if it will ever be back up... I´m glad I´m helping out here, but that place is my school...

I suspected as much but was not sure. Thanks very much for confirming it!

I've been checking the classroom site for weeks and just keep getting the same notice..

 

[nicalandia]

I've been checking the classroom site for weeks and just keep getting the same notice..

I´m afraid its gone

 

[Dahlisgrams]

I´m afraid its gone

I am seriously in mourning...

Is there any way to recreate it?? Wishful thinking no doubt.

 

[nicalandia]

I am seriously in mourning...

Is there any way to recreate it?? Wishful thinking no doubt.

something bad must have happened, its taken too long to be back, I cant think of how many article of Dr. Ron Okimoto I have lost(the ones I read) and how many I am not even aware of it, Dr. Okimoto was a good teacher and an actual geneticist doctor, he did lots of chicken DNA sequencing, now he works for the private industry and cant post on forums anylonger, but his old post always helped me understand chicken genetics

 

[flyingmonkeypoop]

I am just feeling dumb on this subject Marvin. How did they get the first rhodebars if they didn't follow the same recipe? Could I use my black sexlink style rooster for anything resembling an autosexing project?
What if I use a gold/BBR araucana rooster (tufted tailed because I like the look of them) and breed him to barred hens, keep a son from that mating and mate him to a RIR hen and follow the chart after that?

Like others, I do have legbars here that I thought about using but the size/temperment of them is not at all what I would want.

And for the person who asked about using a legbar rooster on red hens, from my understanding (at least what I did to make my new line of legbars) is that when you cross the legbar rooster on red hen, keep the best daughters, and mate back to a legbar you can get birds that will produce autosexing chicks when mated together. I am sure if you mated siblings from the first cross you could get about 1/4 that are more what you're after. If I remember correctly, the birds would look almost like a red quill with barring (hens would show some smutty pattern on the back and roosters would have more black than a normal red) but as I look at other peoples rhodebars, I see that there are many roosters out there that have black barred breasts and hens with patterning/smuttyness on the backs

 

[Twisted-Rooster]

now this is the way to go about recreating a nice dark Rhodebars, but you may not be able to sex the F1s as they will be eWh/e+ birds, some may look all yellow(orangy due to mahogany) or they could look halfway between wheaten and wildtype..

eWh/e+ chick..

Thanks for all your info on making pure Rhodebars, I have a few eggs in the bator now from the roo and RIR hens...What should be my next step in the production of darker Rhodebars? Should I mate the hens from the F1 hatch to a pure RIR roo and the hens from this back to a Rhodebar Roo for pure Rhodebars...

Thanks,Tommy

 

[tadkerson]

I wish you could have elaborated more on this subject Tim, because eb(brown) an autosexing e locus(combined with sexlinked barring) and Wheaten(eWh) is not an autosexing chick down

I wanted to darken the female so the barring would show up better. I was not breeding for auto-sexing. I wanted a barred red bird in which the bars could be easily seen on a female.Wheaten does not work very well for auto-sexing like it does on wild type. One can produce auto-sexing in rhode island red by selective breeding for a white patch on the wing of a male chick. Once the white patch is established in a flock the males can be distinguished from the females by a larger white patch.





Tim

 

[nicalandia]

I am just feeling dumb on this subject Marvin. How did they get the first rhodebars if they didn't follow the same recipe? Could I use my black sexlink style rooster for anything resembling an autosexing project?

What if I use a gold/BBR araucana rooster (tufted tailed because I like the look of them) and breed him to barred hens, keep a son from that mating and mate him to a RIR hen and follow the chart after that?

your F1(out of the BBR x Barred bird) will barred E/e+ right? so just cross him to the best RIR hen you have, cull the chicks with black down(they will be E/eWh) and keep the yellowish/buffish ones as they will be e+/eWh when they start feathering cull the none barred ones(maybe keep the good hens) and mate the best looking barred ones.... out of this mating you will need to hatch atleast 50 eggs because the chances of you getting e+/e+ birds is only 25% and barred e+ birds is even less... but its Doable my friend...