The Sizzle Thread!

[country]

I'd like to see more of the khaki color. I have a porcelain that matured out to be more the color of yours. I'm afraid she might get disqualified if I show her as a porcelain so maybe I should show her as a khaki. What do you think? Other opinions also welcome. Here she is.

far right, this is a not so frizzled in a similar color- I call it khahi. more of a kinky feathering then curly.

 

[Twizzlebee]

My first post in this thread!! xD

That's my only sizzle chick, but it's my favorite. I know it looks a lot like a frizzle, but I promise there's silkie in there! He has the extra toe and dark feet to prove it!

 

[ladyfaeden]

oops, you are right. I mispoke. I meant the whole F1 generation will have barbed feathers. 100% barbed: 50% frizzled and 50% smooth. I fixed it in my post to avoid confusion. The barbed feathers is dominate. Because the cochins have two dominate genes for it, the silkied gene will not show up in that F1 generation. The Frizzle gene is also dominate but since only one gene is present in the frizzle, it will only be passed to the offsping about half the time. Sorry for the confusion! I had just gotten off a marathon of working and probably should have gotten some sleep before trying to write all that out.

 

[ladyfaeden]

Here's it written out:

Cochin has two genes for barbed feathers, I think I called that B?

So BB

The silkie has two genes for silkie feathers, I think I called that s.

So ss

The capital letter is dominate, the offspring get one gene from each parent.

So BB x ss gives you the following possible outcomes. Bs, Bs, sB, sB

All are the same. A barbed feathered bird hiding the silkie gene.

If you took one of those and bred it to a sibling

Bs x Bs. You'd get BB, Bs, sB, and ss. So only 25% chance of silkie feathers.

However if you bred one of those f1s to a silkie, you'd get

Bs x ss. Which gives you Bs, ss, sB, ss. So 50% silkie feathers.


Hope that makes sense and I'm not boring anyone. I love this stuff. I'm finding the chicken color genes very challenging. I've been trying to figure out my autosexing breed and am really confused. That's interesting about the toe genes. I suspect four toes is recessive (so it will keep popping up unexpectedly, but less and less frequently as you select against it), 5 dominate, no clue on the 6!

 

[country]

I just saw all of Countrys beautiful chicks. It was hard to come back with just one! I'm really second guessing my choice to not grab that little cochin now!!!!

Country has some AMAZING looking adults and chicks out there....if only my yard were bigger....

Hmmm. I answered this earlier but it didn't come up. Guess I'll try again.

Thank you 4hchickmama for your compliments on my babies. I wish you had a bigger yard too. Then you could come back & pick 20 or 30 to take home with you! That would be perfect! I'd have some more brooder space & the chicks would have a wonderful home & lots of love & attention from you & your 3 beautiful daughters. Are you sure you don't want more anyway? After all, they're small! lol

 

[4hchickmama]

Hmmm. I answered this earlier but it didn't come up. Guess I'll try again.

Thank you 4hchickmama for your compliments on my babies. I wish you had a bigger yard too. Then you could come back & pick 20 or 30 to take home with you! That would be perfect! I'd have some more brooder space & the chicks would have a wonderful home & lots of love & attention from you & your 3 beautiful daughters. Are you sure you don't want more anyway? After all, they're small! lol

Haha...I'm actually really having regrets not grabbing that little cochin chick now I keep thinking about her. The girls have named the new one Peanut.

I'd have a whole 100+ strong flock of silkies and sizzles if I had the room! Now we just have to wait for Lady Peckington to start laying and then I can have some nice babies born here too!!

 

[country]

Okay ladyfaeden. Now this is getting spooky. I had 2 other questions & your last 2 posts answered them before I had a chance to ask them. One was about the frizzle gene & the other was about the 4 toes.

You're right about the 4 toes being recessive. So let's see if I have this right. Once you breed a rough & smooth Sizzle together (f2), 4 toes (from the Cochin) is recessive on both sides so it pops out all over the place. This has to be right because it happened to me on the f2 cross. Of course, the other recessives - single comb, red comb, light skin, etc. also popped out. f2 was a big mess! Anyway, here I am at f10 & that 4-toe curse still pops up - always in some of my nicest birds! So, you say it's not ever going to go away totally. Darn!

Questions -
Hypothetical 1 - You have a really gorgeous bird, perfect in every way with a lot to offer to your bloodlines, but she has a disqualifying fault - one that is recessive. Would you go ahead & use her & hope to pair her with a roo that doesn't carry the trait, or would you sell her as a pet?
Hypothetical 2 - Same situation as number 1 but this bird is a Sizzle so you know that the recessive is on both sides. Would you breed her with another Sizzle? Would you breed her to a Silkie that doesn't (you hope) carry the recessive? Sell her.

Also, about the porcelains. The porcelains you're getting are beautiful & so is the roo you already have. I have some pretty nice porcelains & I also just ordered some eggs, so maybe we'll be the first with porcelain Sizzles. The sad part is, I already had one & didn't even know it. I was calling him a lemon blue but your post got me thinking so I looked him over & sure enough, he was a porcelain. Unfortunately, I found him dead in the pen this afternoon. No reason that I could see but he was in one of my bachelor pens with 3 other roos so maybe they got to sparring & he broke his neck. I can't think of anything else that would cause it. He was a real sweetie & one of my favorite boys. Lemonblue or porcelain, either way it hurts to lose him. Murphy's Law again I guess. By the way, does anyone know who this Murphy person is & where he lives? He's been making my life miserable lately & if I ever catch him, I'm going to beat the living snot right out of him!

 

[country]

My first post in this thread!! xD

That's my only sizzle chick, but it's my favorite. I know it looks a lot like a frizzle, but I promise there's silkie in there! He has the extra toe and dark feet to prove it!

I don't think he (she?) looks like a frizzle at all. The crest is a dead giveaway & I didn't even know about the 5th toe & dark feet! Your chick is beautiful & I love the colors. Do you know the background & where that color came from?

 

[4hchickmama]

Here's it written out:
Cochin has two genes for barbed feathers, I think I called that B?
So BB
The silkie has two genes for silkie feathers, I think I called that s.
So ss
The capital letter is dominate, the offspring get one gene from each parent.
So BB x ss gives you the following possible outcomes. Bs, Bs, sB, sB
All are the same. A barbed feathered bird hiding the silkie gene.
If you took one of those and bred it to a sibling
Bs x Bs. You'd get BB, Bs, sB, and ss. So only 25% chance of silkie feathers.
However if you bred one of those f1s to a silkie, you'd get
Bs x ss. Which gives you Bs, ss, sB, ss. So 50% silkie feathers.
Hope that makes sense and I'm not boring anyone. I love this stuff. I'm finding the chicken color genes very challenging. I've been trying to figure out my autosexing breed and am really confused. That's interesting about the toe genes. I suspect four toes is recessive (so it will keep popping up unexpectedly, but less and less frequently as you select against it), 5 dominate, no clue on the 6!

I love genetics. That is fascinating. So what would we call the smooth sizzles then. Where would they fit into the mix? Would that be a whole other gene or maybe a gene modifier?

 

[chippie]

Does anyone have any Sizzle chicks or hatching eggs for sale? I so want a few of them to add to my new flock. Hope you don't mind me asking on this thread. Thanks so much!!