The Sizzle Thread!

[Sonoran Silkies]

Painted feathers thanks for comments...do you see what I mean about the roo not being very curly...does it matter genetically how curly the feathers are? Like did this roo not get full on Frizzle genes? Most of the frizzle I saw prior to ordering mine were much more curly. The black hen I kept has a lot better curl but she is tiny and I don't believe she has ever laid an egg.. I was dissapointed in the frizzles which is why I love my sizzle so much and want more of those...

He may well carry the modifier gene (which uncurls the feathers). If so, he will pass that on to his offspring, and if they inherit it from the other parent, they will also display its results.

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

I apologize for my ignorance, but I have a question about breeding Sizzles...

Does mating sizzle to sizzle produce sizzles, or will other characteristics in their genes pop out in the chicks? I'm rather a newbie at all this breeding stuff, LOL so my apologies for being a dork.

I am so happy to have my first Silkie and love him to bits. He is such a character and is being spoiled to excess right now, LOL.

And I know this is slightly off-topic, but in terms of Showgirls- is there such a thing as a frizzled showgirl?

Thanks for any advice and wisdom you can impart.

--Mollie

All genes are passed on t the next generation, so yes, other characteristics can and will show up. Yes, people have frizzled and sizzled showgirls.

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

Thanks PaintedFeathers... so it's like when I used to breed Scottish Fold cats. Can't breed fold to fold. Too many defects.

Does the frizzle feathers have an effect on it's insulating qualities? How do they fare in terms of weather extremes?

I've become so enamoured of the "bad hair day" featherd chickens and of course, I'm totally into Silkies now. Since I am a new Silkie roo mamma I am so happy. I hope he will be a good daddy.

--Mollie

Broken or missing feathers do; I've never noticed any insulation difficulties in my frizzles or sizzles that had a full set of feathers, though. Latest research says that the only health risk in frizzled birds is from them not being sufficiently warm.

 

[Theresa sla]

Thanks PaintedFeathers... so it's like when I used to breed Scottish Fold cats. Can't breed fold to fold. Too many defects.

Does the frizzle feathers have an effect on it's insulating qualities? How do they fare in terms of weather extremes?

I've become so enamoured of the "bad hair day" featherd chickens and of course, I'm totally into Silkies now. Since I am a new Silkie roo mamma I am so happy. I hope he will be a good daddy.

--Mollie

Yup just like folds and munchkin cats You should never breed them together to many problems

but healthy and very hardy when breed correctly!!
I have a mama silkie raiseing 3 little frizzled chicks in the coop right now. Theyer about 4 weeks old now. But hatched out in the snow and never had anything but snow. I tryed many times to put up a headlight for the mom and chicks. But now matter what I did, the mama hen moves them away from the light. so I gave up. Heathy as can be playing in the snow right now. We're in Michigan and its 10 degrees out right now, but with wind chill it's 1 degrees out!!!
also had frizzles in a couple different breeds for 3 years now never had a problem with any of them looking or acting cold. They snuggle together most nights with atlesst 3-4 per bundle. Just like my silkies and have a dry coop with out drafts to warm up in. But we try are best not to use heat lights on the adults. Just becouse We've learns they have more problem going form hot to cold than they did just getting comfortable in the cold.

 

[ksfnewtobirds]

Modifier gene? this is the first I have heard of such a thing...how interesting.

 

[why do birds]

He may well carry the modifier gene (which uncurls the feathers). If so, he will pass that on to his offspring, and if they inherit it from the other parent, they will also display its results.

So a curly feathered chicken can mate with another curly feathered chicken and possibly produce a straight feathered bird? Is the modifier gene like a recessive genetic trait? Is there a book on this stuff? The genetics are interesting and fun and we're trying to learn all about it. Not to mention the cute little funky birds that we get from all this mad science.

 

[ksfnewtobirds]

Sonoran Silkie, Thanks for imput and comments and I understand about frazzle and curly...I went back and edited what I could so everyone would understand frizzled means frizzled and curly means frazzled..I appreciate your help and can't wait to see what hatches

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

Quote: For now, let's ditch the term "curley."

Two birds that are homozygous (two copies) of frizzle will always produce homozygous offspring.
One homozygous for frizzle bird bred to a heterozygous bird will produce 50% homozygous, 50% heterozygous
One homozygous for frizzle bird bred to a homozygous not-frizzle bird will produce all heterozygous frizzles.

Two heterozygous for frizzle birds will produce 25% homozygous frizzle, 25% homozygous not-frizzle and 50% heterozygous frizzle


Yes, the frizzle modifier gene is recessive; it was commony discussed a number of years ago; much less in the last few years. There is disagreement on how common it is/isn't.

 

[why do birds]

For now, let's ditch the term "curley."

Two birds that are homozygous (two copies) of frizzle will always produce homozygous offspring.
One homozygous for frizzle bird bred to a heterozygous bird will produce 50% homozygous, 50% heterozygous
One homozygous for frizzle bird bred to a homozygous not-frizzle bird will produce all heterozygous frizzles.

Two heterozygous for frizzle birds will produce 25% homozygous frizzle, 25% homozygous not-frizzle and 50% heterozygous frizzle


Yes, the frizzle modifier gene is recessive; it was commony discussed a number of years ago; much less in the last few years. There is disagreement on how common it is/isn't.

Yikes! Now I'm all frazzled!

and confused

and will never think of KFC in the same way again.

....Just Kidding! Thank you for the information! Trying to teach the children about genetics. This takes the Punnett square to a whole new level.

I'll skip the part about the frizzle modifier gene, it's a little too deep for Jr. HS, but I appreciate the transfer of knowledge!

Thanks so so much! So to be accurate, we had eggs that were marked as sizzles and described as a purebred silkie hen (homo) was bred with a frizzled cochin roo. However we don't know if the frizzled cochin roo is homo or hetero and therefore offspring would be 100% hetero frizzles if the roo is homo frizzle, and if roo is hetero frizzle we would get 50% chance of hetero frizzle and 50% chance of nonfrizzle,-basically a silkie cochin cross- without accounting for any type of modifier gene, although since the hen is a homo silkie, and this is genetically recessive, it should not apply in this instance, would be for later generation sizzles.

 

[PaintedFeathers]

Yikes! Now I'm all frazzled!

and confused

and will never think of KFC in the same way again.

....Just Kidding! Thank you for the information! Trying to teach the children about genetics. This takes the Punnett square to a whole new level.

I'll skip the part about the frizzle modifier gene, it's a little too deep for Jr. HS, but I appreciate the transfer of knowledge!

Thanks so so much! So to be accurate, we had eggs that were marked as sizzles and described as a purebred silkie hen (homo) was bred with a frizzled cochin roo. However we don't know if the frizzled cochin roo is homo or hetero and therefore offspring would be 100% hetero frizzles if the roo is homo frizzle, and if roo is hetero frizzle we would get 50% chance of hetero frizzle and 50% chance of nonfrizzle,-basically a silkie cochin cross- without accounting for any type of modifier gene, although since the hen is a homo silkie, and this is genetically recessive, it should not apply in this instance, would be for later generation sizzles.

Sonoran I thought frizzled birds only carry 1 copy of frizzling and birds that are smooth do not carry any copies? That is at least how I have always learned it

I don't believe in breeding frizzle to frizzle, just because I have seen what it can do. Most birds I have seen that are double frizzle are very small and sickly and just can't thrive. I had one myself, her name was Ruby. She was so small and sad looking, and she did not make it =( She also hated being picked up because it hurt her.