The Supreme Court's Gun Ruling This Week - Not A Debate

[summerwindsfarm]

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Do you honestly believe that if someone cant kill themselfs with a gun they wont kill themselfs? When ppl want to commit suicide they always find a way.

I do agree that too many ppl are killed with their own guns. Thats because ppl get guns but dont learn how to use them and arent willing to use them. I have a good friend whose a homicide detective. He told me once that the rule is..if you know you cant shoot and shoot to kill if someones threatening your life..then dont buy a gun because your more likely to be killed with your own gun than to defend yourself. That sounds very logical to me and i didnt buy a gun for a long long time. Now i have no doubt that i could protect myself and those i love without blinking. I still do not believe i could shoot anyone over property. Life is too precious to me..if they want my stuff that bad they can have it.

 

[Oblio13]

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As a military pilot, I used to intercept suspected drug smugglers sometimes who crossed the "ADIZ" - Air Defense Intercept Zone - without a filed flight plan. Never did anything, just joined up on their wing and flew along with them for a while. Sure was funny watching them freak out, though.

 

[Oblio13]

Here's another interesting tidbit from the FBI crime statistics: 75% of justifiable homicides, defined as "The killing of a felon, during the commission of a felony, by a private citizen" are with firearms, mostly handguns.

 

[DuckyBoys]

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I disagree. I work for the government and I just got out of a meeting in which the opening comment was "I hope this presentation isn't too Socialistic, but I've been told you all are a Socialistic bunch."

The right to own guns in America is the secret to our success as a nation. I hate to even imagine what would happen to this country should the "socialists" ever figure out a way to take them away form us.

To me, it doesn't matter how many murders or crimes are committed with guns of any type.

Those figures are irrelevant to the debate of whether or not out Founding Fathers meant for the government to control us, or for us to control the government, via personal arms ownership.

How presumptious and arrogant does one executive appointee need to be to come into a room of government employees where they know no one but the head of the departmentand assume everyone is a socialist liberal?

It made me feel sick to my stomach. These presentential elections mean more than who sits in the oval office, make no mistake. They will decide if America stays a free country or becomes enslaved by the neo-communists, i.e. "the environmentalists."

 

[summerwindsfarm]

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I bet lol! Good to know at least someones doing something! And i know that our cops try. The problem is not with our police in the field but with our justice system and politicians sigh.

I have a friend whose brother was shot to death by her nephew. The brother was a sheriff and on a drug raid of a meth lab. When he realized it was his nephew he went in unarmed to talk to him and the kid shot him point blank in the head.

 

[estpr13]

Hummm...Following this thread I believe that 50% of gun deaths are sucides and two thirds of others are drug related... 75 % of justified homicides are home owners defending their homes?
The founding fathers said that gun ownership was for militias for the common defence... Like a war on drugs? Are Neighborhood Watchs militias? Should they be? How do you fight a war when one side is disarmed? Maybe the court got it right!

 

[spook]

Unfortunately the ones that have the guns -the gangsters and such will have them if there are laws or not. Its the common folk that use the guns for food or protection of livestock that have respect for the fire arm.
One thing that I have always said is that its not the firearm that kills, its the person that pulled the trigger.
I believe that guns are a bonus, we need them, I am for them, but teach people to use them with respect (sure...in my fantasy world).
As for the man shooting at the college or other school shootings, they will find guns regardless to what the laws are. Like a restraining order, it can be walked through without a tug.

 

[ivan3]

PurpleChicken wrote: Good link. It's not as simple as the media likes to portray it as. I got to page 10
and couldn't take anymore.

Summary: Scalia beats up on Breyer and Stevens with his `militia' citations (antifederalists served their purpose!).

Scalia's blood is up by page 67:

"We are aware of the problem of handgun violence in this country, and we take seriously the concerns raised by the many amici who believe that prohibition of handgun ownership is a solution. The Constitution leaves the District of Columbia a variety of tools for combating that problem, including some measures regulating handguns, see supra, at 54–55, and n. 26. But the enshrinement of constitutional rights necessarily takes certain policy choices off the table. These include the absolute prohibition of handguns held and used for self-defense in the home. Undoubtedly some think that the Second Amendment is outmoded in a society where our standing army is the pride of our Nation, where well-trained police forces provide personal security, and where gun violence is a serious problem. That is perhaps debatable, but what is not debatable is that it is not the role of this Court to pronounce the Second Amendment extinct.

We affirm the judgment of the Court of Appeals.
It is so ordered."​

 

[Oakland_Ranchero]

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True some murders are happening by being in the wrong place at the wrong time but too many are drug related. Gangs really don't exist largely in Oakland as in other parts of the country. It's more of a drug turf relation here. The biggest problem isn't the guns but the drugs.

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Agreed. Although Mexico isn't the biggest problem. We have too many inlets for drug traffic within our country and drugs come in from more ports than we think.

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Closing our borders with Mexico will not solve our problems. Drugs come in through many ports and many times very well known internally within our own US Customs and other government entities.

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That's a very disheartening story and I commend you for being so strong. I agree that our justice system needs to do more.

 

[PurpleChicken]

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I'm sorry you feel this way. This is a passionate issue for many of us. I have seen
plenty of quick responses to disagree but no "shout downs". I do understand how
someone with an alternate view may choose to stay out.


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Me too. No one should feel concerned about posting their thoughts. This is a forum,
a discussion and a sharing of thoughts and opinions. All are welcome. The only rule
here is civility and respect.