Things you wish you could say

[chickentrains]

Some people can't!

FIGURE IT OUT! lol

 

[Nabiki]

I'm going to step in and ask, as the creator of this thread, to keep to the spirit of it, please. The whole point is to not point fingers, but to let off a bit of steam, hopefully with a bit of humour.

 

[CarpCharacin]

Y'know what a doctor calls a homeopathic rememdy that works?

Medicine.

Nah, they call it placebo effect because medicine that has an effect beyond that of a placebo can't have its mode of action be impossible as per thermodynamics, lol. Many people seem to conflate homeopathic "remedies" and herbal treatments that actually have a physical basis in the form of phytochemicals.

 

[CarpCharacin]

FIGURE IT OUT! lol

I think it may be more deterministic than people generally like to believe.

 

[ryneaeiel]

Nah, they call it placebo effect because medicine that has an effect beyond that of a placebo can't have its mode of action be impossible as per thermodynamics, lol. Many people seem to conflate homeopathic "remedies" and herbal treatments that actually have a physical basis in the form of phytochemicals.

Ahem.

I meant that if it works, it's just medicine.

The majority of homeopathic remedies are entirely placebo (I'm looking at you, essential oils) and don't do anything to affect your physical health and should never be relied on for curing issues, especially serious disease like cancers.

The amount of people I've seen suffer because they tried to treat their cancer with industrial bleach they bought online...

There's a special place in Heck for people that take advantage of the dying and desparate.

 

[Nabiki]

Ahem.

I meant that if it works, it's just medicine.

The majority of homeopathic remedies are entirely placebo (I'm looking at you, essential oils) and don't do anything to affect your physical health and should never be relied on for curing issues, especially serious disease like cancers.

The amount of people I've seen suffer because they tried to treat their cancer with industrial bleach they bought online...

There's a special place in Heck for people that take advantage of the dying and desparate.

Homeopathic refers to "like cures like" where a tiny amount of (usually) poison is put into such a large amount of water as to be completely ineffective. That's why it would be a placebo if it worked.

Essential oils do have some known medicinal uses, due to the properties of the plants used. For example, peppermint and chamomile oils have scientifically proven soothing qualities, and therefore do make a good anti-itch treatment for bug bites and minor rashes. Many practitioners make false claims, but not all of them are false.

I do know where you're coming from, having seen plenty of snake oil salesmen. That's why I do a lot of research on stuff and only trust sites from reliable sources such as universities or well known medical research facilities.

 

[CarpCharacin]

I meant that if it works, it's just medicine.

And not really homeopathic. "Real" homeopathy works by taking an agent that causes the symptoms that one is attempting to treat ("like cures like") and then diluting it until there can't physically be any left. Homeopaths believe in "water memory", essentially that water takes on the characteristics of substances that it has been in contact with. Anyway, I agree that many other proposed "natural remedies" have no real effect.

 

[CarpCharacin]

A long time ago I made a post saying that homeopathy is no more effective than "voodoo healing spells" IIRC and I think it ended up getting reported and deleted, lol.

 

[ryneaeiel]

Homeopathic refers to "like cures like" where a tiny amount of (usually) poison is put into such a large amount of water as to be completely ineffective. That's why it would be a placebo if it worked.

Essential oils do have some known medicinal uses, due to the properties of the plants used. For example, peppermint and chamomile oils have scientifically proven soothing qualities, and therefore do make a good anti-itch treatment for bug bites and minor rashes. Many practitioners make false claims, but not all of them are false.

I do know where you're coming from, having seen plenty of snake oil salesmen. That's why I do a lot of research on stuff and only trust sites from reliable sources such as universities or well known medical research facilities.

And not really homeopathic. "Real" homeopathy works by taking an agent that causes the symptoms that one is attempting to treat ("like cures like") and then diluting it until there can't physically be any left. Homeopaths believe in "water memory", essentially that water takes on the characteristics of substances that it has been in contact with. Anyway, I agree that many other proposed "natural remedies" have no real effect.

Thank you, I should've just referred to it as "natural" remedies.

And yes, that's not to say natural remedies are bad — I personally grow yarrow for antiseptic and blood clotting purposes, along with a few other medicinal plants native to where I live — I just meant in referral to the "apple cider vinegar cures everything" crowd.

Or the people that are convinced crystals can heal, or that "essential oils" can cure any ailment.

Especially when those people tell others to use things like peppermint oil on their sick dogs, either ignoring or completely unaware that peppermint oil is toxic to dogs both orally and topically.

 

[sourland]

Some people need to grow up.

mirror, mirror on the wall

A long time ago I made a post saying that homeopathy is no more effective than "voodoo healing spells" IIRC and I think it ended up getting reported and deleted, lol.

voodoo healing spells aren't effective?