Those who need help in sexing peafowl

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Thank you very much. I find that very interesting. Here's a drawing of what a Pied Peacock and Pied peahen. As you can see I'm not the best at drawing. My camera sucks but I'm sure you can see some details. I think that maybe this is what Thor and Calypso might look like in the future. I don't usually do back ground stuff. It's rare if I do a back ground.
 
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All the barring aside can you explain why Thor's neck is not blue or blue with a hint of green at this time if it is a peacock? also when males molt out the cream color on their breast will turn blackgreen/blue unless it is white in that area.
hens however will keep their cream breast where areas are not white in pied hens.

this male is around 7 months old.



All of my boys have their blue necks now some have a bit of green still but they are younger than your Thore, this photo was taken yesterday

pied hen 7 months old
 
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Hello I wanted to say welcome! I hope you stay here in the wonderful peafowl section!!! I like your avatar it looks like you have some pretty birds and I wish I could say I have been into peafowl for 19 years...That is almost how long I have been alive!
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I agree with you. I saw on a hatchery website once a photo of a "Green peafowl". It was a spalding. I have no experience with hatcheries, but I am guessing they are mainly good when it comes to chickens, but peafowl can be so complicated with Spaldings that I think hatcheries don't know what they are dealing with as far as peafowl goes. That is just what I figure. The best bet is getting birds from a breeder who has all their stuff together that can tell you: The parents of the bird, what pen # they came from, and possibly where their original birds came from (especially important when dealing with green peafowl).

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If I am wrong, I will be super surprised because not only does Thor looks a lot like a peahen I had, but everyone else on this thread says female. Although hey everyone is wrong sometimes because we are all human so I will accept being wrong if that is what happens. I will still be confident in sexing peafowl, I will just keep more of an open mind...Annnd I will do some sort of drawing for you Birdrain, maybe a drawing of Thor with some lightning in the background or something cool. No body has to be right all the time, although it would be nice if the weather man was right all the time! Just an example of mistakes with peafowl...I shared this with Blue Creek already...I got the UPA magazine today and I noticed an article about green peafowl. It was written by someone who is a science writer, technical editor, and palaeozoologist and they wrote in it, "But there's another peafowl: the Green peacock P. muticus, also sometimes called the Burmese peacock." The funny thing is P. muticus is literally Javanese green peafowl, which are sometimes called Javas, not Burmese. Burmese peafowl are Pavo muticus Spicifer. It goes to show you that even someone with nice titles can say the wrong thing.
Hi MinxFox, thank you for the welcome. You too have some beautiful birds. I've enjoyed your photos on here and on the UPA forum. I love that pic of my white guys, but they are both rather skittish birds. This year I incubated for the first time and ended up with a couple of imprinted birds without trying. Don't know how that will work out in the future, but for the time being I have a male white and a male spalding that I can pet. The spalding likes his head rubbed like your Peep does. As for Thor, you are not wrong, I'd bet any of my birds on that. I had 3 pens of pieds breeding this past summer and I got a lot of hens that looked exactly like Thor. In this picture you can see one of my Thor girls in the middle, in front of her with only his back in the frame is a pied male, these guys were about 3 months when I took this pic, but you can clearly see how much more barring the male's back has compared to the hens.
On a slightly different note, I have a "Pied" question for those of you with lots of experience, and I WILL listen.
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Around here the "Peacock Du Jour" last summer was the loud pied, everybody loved our loud pied male and wanted a chick that would grow up to look like him. However with 3 Pied Pairs breeding, we got very few Loud Pied. We actually got more pure white than anything, followed by dark pied(mostly hens), and a handful of loud pied and silver pied. I'm wondering if I can change my pairings around to increase my chances of getting loud pieds?? Last year we had a white male paired w/ a dark pied hen(who I was told came from silver pied parents), we also had a silver hen paired with a loud pied male and a dark pied male with a silver pied hen. I have a young silver pied male who is breeding age now, but he is brother to one of the silver hens and son to the other. If I Paired him with the dark pied hen, instead of the white male with her, would this probably give me more pieds and less whites??? Anyway, I know this is kind of off-topic from Thor, but I thought we could all use a distraction!
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The DNA testing comes back again. If Thor turned out to be a female I would have to wait a year. I didn't just pick Thor and Calypso for breeding purposes only but also for an FFA project. When they are so old they could careless who I am and not want to work with me. I started out with IB as well. Barring can be an easy way to sex but it's not always accurate. I've had a male peachick go from no barring to barring. When Thor was 5 weeks old he told me was pretty sure Thor and the other male with Thor were males. At first he told me that those were the older ones and I asked if he had younger ones and he showed me a horse tank full of peachicks, whites, IB, and one IB Pied. That was Calypso.
Jadea on the left, Colbolt standing in the center, Sapphire laying down in the center and Genie on the right.
Ok, who told you what sex these ones are? I can tell you Colbolt, Sapphire and Genie are males. Cannot see Jadea too blurry. Now if Jadea is infact a hen then you will have 3 pairs. If you want to take better pictures we can help sex them. I can clearly see barring on Genie's back and faintly see it in the picture on Colbolt's as well, the one laying down I can't tell if there is barring but all 3 have way to much neck coloring to be hens.
 
Hi MinxFox, thank you for the welcome. You too have some beautiful birds. I've enjoyed your photos on here and on the UPA forum. I love that pic of my white guys, but they are both rather skittish birds. This year I incubated for the first time and ended up with a couple of imprinted birds without trying. Don't know how that will work out in the future, but for the time being I have a male white and a male spalding that I can pet. The spalding likes his head rubbed like your Peep does. As for Thor, you are not wrong, I'd bet any of my birds on that. I had 3 pens of pieds breeding this past summer and I got a lot of hens that looked exactly like Thor. In this picture you can see one of my Thor girls in the middle, in front of her with only his back in the frame is a pied male, these guys were about 3 months when I took this pic, but you can clearly see how much more barring the male's back has compared to the hens.
On a slightly different note, I have a "Pied" question for those of you with lots of experience, and I WILL listen.
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Around here the "Peacock Du Jour" last summer was the loud pied, everybody loved our loud pied male and wanted a chick that would grow up to look like him. However with 3 Pied Pairs breeding, we got very few Loud Pied. We actually got more pure white than anything, followed by dark pied(mostly hens), and a handful of loud pied and silver pied. I'm wondering if I can change my pairings around to increase my chances of getting loud pieds?? Last year we had a white male paired w/ a dark pied hen(who I was told came from silver pied parents), we also had a silver hen paired with a loud pied male and a dark pied male with a silver pied hen. I have a young silver pied male who is breeding age now, but he is brother to one of the silver hens and son to the other. If I Paired him with the dark pied hen, instead of the white male with her, would this probably give me more pieds and less whites??? Anyway, I know this is kind of off-topic from Thor, but I thought we could all use a distraction!
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The one closest to the cage is a male, behind him is a pied hen and behind her is a silver pied male and then a silver pied hen. The white is a 50% chance os being a male LOL! I am a little confused as to what you refer to as a "loud" pied? If I remember correctly isn't a loud pied Australian for silver pied?
 
Peafowl with two white genes = white.( TT) one white gene , + one pied gene = pied. (T,pd ) One white,+one pied,+ two copies of white eye gene (T, pd, w/e, w/e) = silver pied.. Pied + pied genes (pd,pd ) = dark pied . Now, what is loud pied ??? is it a peafowl with T+pd+w/e genes?. if I can assume. People use the word Loud pied. I am confused. Appreciate clarification as to its genetic make up from knowledgable people. A dark pied (pd,pd ) x a white ( TT) = all pied chicks (T,pd)
 
I know those sexes. Genie figured out how to open doors and right where Sapphire is laying down there used to be a big hole because a coyote drove through and killed Sapphire but didn't eat him. This is Colbolt and Jadea now.




 
A loud Pied I think is when a Pied has more white then usual. Like a paint horse, some have more white then others. Though the way that I learned peafowl is Silver Pieds have more white then color and Pieds have more color then white no matter what. Then when I found this website and heard these new terms and stuff I was confused and had some people help me but I still sometimes refer them to the way I learned them. When it comes to the loud and dark and quiet Pied I just doze off and just say if it has more white then color then Silver Pied, more color then white Pied. So much easier.
 
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The one closest to the cage is a male, behind him is a pied hen and behind her is a silver pied male and then a silver pied hen. The white is a 50% chance os being a male LOL! I am a little confused as to what you refer to as a "loud" pied? If I remember correctly isn't a loud pied Australian for silver pied?

Okay, well I know you CAN sex peafowl!
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You got them all correct and the white one was sold before I could tell what it was. As for the term "Loud Pied", I have always considered birds that were close to 50% white and 50% color to be "Loud Pied" I don't even remember where I first heard the term. Here are pics of my bird Harley, who I consider pretty loud. He is a rescue so I have not a single clue as to his genetic heritage. But everybody just loved him this year.

What would you all call him????? He is paired with a silver pied and they generally produce white, silver and dark pied chicks in a ratio close to 50/25/25(don't know if that helps figure out his lineage.) I am more concerned with whether I will get more pied from a dark pied x silver pied pairing or from a dark pied x white pairing???? Thanks for the input everyone, sorry my use of "loud pied" confused things. Mindy
 
Hello Mindy,
Well, I know nothing about pied peas (but yours are very beautiful!!!).
But, if you actually want some input about pairings, etc., you should probably start a new thread, as your questions will be lost here on the "Thora's A Hen" thread.
 
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