Thoughts on Universal healthcare

[Wifezilla]

I for one dont want universal healthcare. I dont want the government controlling anymore than they already do.

Just to let you know, I dont have health insurance. We out of pocket anything that we need. I need surgery but I would rather save up and pay for it myself than have the government be in charge, and decide if I really need it or not. Non of their business.

There is such thing as a medical Savings. That is the route we will go when we decide to get insurance.

But I have found that most doctors but not all, will work with you and charge you less if you are self pay.

Exactly.

Healthcare is NOT free! Either you can pay your healthcare, or I can pay your healthcare, and frankly, I dont want to pay for you.

Sorry if this offends anyone.

I am often shocked by the everyone for themselves attitude that a lot of American have.....I thought we were a nation of Christians...look out for your neighbor, blessed are the poor ring a bell with anybody?

The problem is it eliminates my choice in the matter. i will gladly pay to help a person who falls on hard times. I will NOT pay for some twit that intentionally impregnates herself with 8 embryos.

It is the same if you have 2 people with diabetes (for the sake of this example, lets say they are both type 1). One takes care of their blood sugar, the other eats twinkies and drinks mt dew at every meal. The personal with the maintained blood sugar ends up paying for the moron who is trashing their system and needs frequent hospital visits, surgeries, etc.

A universal system forces those who are healthy and take care of themselves to pay the costs of those who are irresponsible and do not. They become slaves to the lowest common denominator.

And last time I read the bible, there was quite a bit in there about personal responsibility as well as generosity.​

 

[Chickenmaven]

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Medicare is SEMI-UNIVERSAL care. I have a family member who is a military doc. He tells his patients that the service has semi- universal care. I get a kick out of that characterization.

To all: People who are not in favor of universal care should admit that they believe healthcare is not a right, but a privilege (like a steak dinner or a diamond bracelet). Do you really think that people should do without if they cannot afford it? They DON'T do without, though, do they? They are forced to ignore their health until they end up in the E.R. Our current system is stupid. It serves business, not people. I cannot believe that changes could make it worse.

 

[horsejody]

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ditto

If you have health insurance you are, if you pay out of pocket you are. The only way you do not pay for everybody else is if you don't seek medical treatment. And even then you are paying taxes to medicare/medicaid so you still are.

I am often shocked by the everyone for themselves attitude that a lot of American have.....I thought we were a nation of Christians...look out for your neighbor, blessed are the poor ring a bell with anybody?

I didn't say that I wasn't paying for the healthcare of others. I said that I didn't want to. I don't mind helping people that need it. I just can't stand the freeloaders. And I surely don't need a government bureaucracy controlling my healthcare. I know that paying insurance puts me in a pool with others to help pay their expenses too. I know that government already spends my tax dollars for the healthcare of others. I resent medical costs and taxes being so high because so many refuse to pay anything at all.

 

[Dar]

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Exactly.

Healthcare is NOT free! Either you can pay your healthcare, or I can pay your healthcare, and frankly, I dont want to pay for you.

Sorry if this offends anyone.

I am often shocked by the everyone for themselves attitude that a lot of American have.....I thought we were a nation of Christians...look out for your neighbor, blessed are the poor ring a bell with anybody?

The problem is it eliminates my choice in the matter. i will gladly pay to help a person who falls on hard times. I will NOT pay for some twit that intentionally impregnates herself with 8 embryos.

It is the same if you have 2 people with diabetes (for the sake of this example, lets say they are both type 1). One takes care of their blood sugar, the other eats twinkies and drinks mt dew at every meal. The personal with the maintained blood sugar ends up paying for the moron who is trashing their system and needs frequent hospital visits, surgeries, etc.

A universal system forces those who are healthy and take care of themselves to pay the costs of those who are irresponsible and do not. They become slaves to the lowest common denominator.

And last time I read the bible, there was quite a bit in there about personal responsibility as well as generosity.​

but in the same context...a universal system will allow a mother of a sick child to bring that child to a doctor....or person who who holds a job making minimum wage but cant afford health insurance and makes to much money for medicaid..​

 

[Chicken Lil]

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No you don't offend me, as I believe in free speech.
My house is only 100K, but I live in a fairly rural area. Not a lot of jobs. However, if you want to find more jobs you have to move to a more metropolitan area. For instance $250K anywhere in the NYC area won't buy you squat, especially land. Same is tru fro most of CAL. People who make 70K in that area can not afford housing that isn't in the worst slum. At the same time finding a job in an area where the housing costs less can be really difficult. I've been looking for a new job in 40 mile radius of my current home for over a year with NO success. This with a college degree and 25 years of management experience. I am already making less money than I did six years ago, so how low should I go??

Basically the housing market became so overinflated it made a lot of people have to pay more for even the most basic of housing.

 

[HennysMom]

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No, they are not forced to ignore their healthcare by any means whatsoever in this country. They can walk into ANY hospital ANYWHERE in ANY STATE of the Union and get FREE MEDICAL at any time. Its the law and its posted in every ER and at every door of every hospital I've ever been in.

Responsibility for ones health starts with ones self as well. As Wifezilla said, someone with diabetes that takes care of themselves and still struggles should not be the same as someone who chooses NOT to make a lifestyle change that is required of them medically in order to improve their life.

 

[granmahen]

I say the only real answer is to have a doctor, an RN, a surgeon, a dentist, and a vet in the family. Oh, and a minister to marry em and bury em.

 

[HennysMom]

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Exactly.

Healthcare is NOT free! Either you can pay your healthcare, or I can pay your healthcare, and frankly, I dont want to pay for you.

Sorry if this offends anyone.

I am often shocked by the everyone for themselves attitude that a lot of American have.....I thought we were a nation of Christians...look out for your neighbor, blessed are the poor ring a bell with anybody?

The problem is it eliminates my choice in the matter. i will gladly pay to help a person who falls on hard times. I will NOT pay for some twit that intentionally impregnates herself with 8 embryos.

It is the same if you have 2 people with diabetes (for the sake of this example, lets say they are both type 1). One takes care of their blood sugar, the other eats twinkies and drinks mt dew at every meal. The personal with the maintained blood sugar ends up paying for the moron who is trashing their system and needs frequent hospital visits, surgeries, etc.

A universal system forces those who are healthy and take care of themselves to pay the costs of those who are irresponsible and do not. They become slaves to the lowest common denominator.

And last time I read the bible, there was quite a bit in there about personal responsibility as well as generosity.​

but in the same context...a universal system will allow a mother of a sick child to bring that child to a doctor....or person who who holds a job making minimum wage but cant afford health insurance and makes to much money for medicaid..​

Well, Obama passed (or soon will pass) the law that mandates that every parent MUST provide healthcare for their children - at whatever cost his "plan" states. So does that make it right for a family that is already struggling to pay the bills, who may not qualify for aid, but can walk into a hospital ER to receive care for their child at the taxpayers expense already? I firmly believe most parents would absolutely pay to have their children covered if they could -100% - but... mandating what and how much someone should pay and fining those people that cannot afford to pay that amount isnt the answer either. This entire "plan" Mr. Obama has in mind just seems like Medicaid all over again - its on a sliding scale and who picks up the tab? We do...

Its just a big big mess that keeps getting bigger. There is no easy answer to this situation. We all need healthcare, yes.. but to make it a government entity... no thank you, I'm against that 100%.

 

[Wifezilla]

a universal system will allow a mother of a sick child to bring that child to a doctor....or person who who holds a job making minimum wage but cant afford health insurance and makes to much money for medicaid..

You can already get that. I have used health care without having any insurance for years. I go to the clinic and I pay CASH. I know...radical concept.​

 

[Chicken Lil]

"but in the same context...a universal system will allow a mother of a sick child to bring that child to a doctor....or person who who holds a job making minimum wage but cant afford health insurance and makes to much money for medicaid..."

A country can be judged on how well it takes care of it's most vulnerable citizens.

Yes there are people that scam the system, but how many of you would really turn your back on a sick child in need, just to stop others from taking advantage of the system? Would you rather these children die than have a small percent of the govt taxes wasted? Think long and hard about that before you say yes.

We must protect and care for all of our country's children, as they did not chose the life they have, and should not pay for the sins of the parents.

They are our future and one day your life may well be in the hands of one of this unfortunates.

I do not know if Universal Health Care is the awnser. But I do know the system we have now is failing for many in dire need.

Good thoughts for all us, no matter what side of the fence we fall on!