Tolbunt Polish

[Vcomb]

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Can we get a closer pic of the roo in the background there?

Turtle Feathers: I'd say use the gold lace bantam if possible. I've seen buff lace x tollbunt and its one of those things where you are adding more genes that you have to breed out later. You may want to consider some bantam Houdan blood, as the bantams seem to breed closer to true mottling than most largefowl do today. Or if you came across some wc black mottled Polish that might be useful. Just remember it will be a long process. A friend of mine tried several crosses over the years. After I post this I'm going to see if I have any pics of my orloff x tollbunts to post.

Crunchie: Yep, the Tollbunts here are all pretty heavily inbred. A part of that was due to the mistake of trying to breed the orloff crosses, you had to cross back to tollbunt so many times before it looked half ways like a Polish again that you basically defeated the purpose.

Josh44: no problem! Always glad to help, sorry I haven't emailed in awhile, getting ready for a show, and moving, and working 2 jobs plus art on the side = a pretty full plate. I'll have to email you some pics of some white marked buff columbians that cropped up out of my buff laceds this year.

 

[Vcomb]

http://www.polishbreedersclub.com/tolbunt.htm

click that link and look at the hens in the pic labeled: "diepenbroek Tolbunts from Europe."

F1 Tollbunt over Russian Orloff: 1/2 1/2

(right up against the fence in the foreground

F2 Rooster 3/4 Polish 1/4 Orloff

 

[josh44]

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Can we get a closer pic of the roo in the background there?

Turtle Feathers: I'd say use the gold lace bantam if possible. I've seen buff lace x tollbunt and its one of those things where you are adding more genes that you have to breed out later. You may want to consider some bantam Houdan blood, as the bantams seem to breed closer to true mottling than most largefowl do today. Or if you came across some wc black mottled Polish that might be useful. Just remember it will be a long process. A friend of mine tried several crosses over the years. After I post this I'm going to see if I have any pics of my orloff x tollbunts to post.

Crunchie: Yep, the Tollbunts here are all pretty heavily inbred. A part of that was due to the mistake of trying to breed the orloff crosses, you had to cross back to tollbunt so many times before it looked half ways like a Polish again that you basically defeated the purpose.

Josh44: no problem! Always glad to help, sorry I haven't emailed in awhile, getting ready for a show, and moving, and working 2 jobs plus art on the side = a pretty full plate. I'll have to email you some pics of some white marked buff columbians that cropped up out of my buff laceds this year.

Not a problem,

Completley understand.

I can't even imagine how many emails one gets when being vice president of a breeders club.

I finally got my start in some silver laced polish bantams, they're from Glenn Crocker & Larry Glenns old stock they are not the best, but ar a start. They were suppose to have huge crest, but the man gave me his smaller crested birds instead. Again it's a start, I ended up with 2 pairs, but only using 1 of the males. I will try to send pics when I get a chance.

I even started a pigeon coop going on over here.

 

[Illia]

OMG when did this thread form and where was I?!

Well, I umm. . . Don't have recent photos of my babies, but I'm "blessed" with a pair of Tolbunts, one boy and a frizzled girl. They're nearing 5 months old now. The only photos I have of them on this computer are at their first week of age.

Question for you other owners out there: What health problems have you come across? I've heard so many terrible stories of sad vitality, poor health, and people simply giving up on them. And, well, my Tolbunts are quite fine, or so it seems, except when I pick either of them up, they can give out an unexpected shriek. It isn't a crow, I know that. . . Could this be a problem? Internal pain?

Oh, and when they eat, they seem to take a lot of energy into swallowing things, as if with a dry throat . . . Thoughts?

I just want to make sure my babies are as healthy as can be.

 

[Rare Feathers Farm]

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My Houdans do the same thing--I call it DRAMATIC!

The only thing I can recommend with them is to make sure they have a covered (DRY) run and I use pop bottle waterers. They get chilled easily, especially with wet crests/beards.

 

[Vcomb]

Two things I recall folks having trouble with were crooked toes and crooked breast bones.

 

[josh44]

I'd like to see pics

I read that most tolbunts are so interbred, that they sometimes turn out with crooked or no toe nails. this could be just an incubator problem that occures.
I would imagine that low fertility is a good possibility.

Personally I think
fertility would slip wayyyy, quicker than you getting any defects/major culls crooked beaks & toes.

 

[Illia]

Well, I got them from Green Acres Poultry Farm, and my fertility simply from the eggs I purchased was already a shocker - 6/12. But, problems occurred, and I dwindled to 4/12 by lockdown, then 2/12 actually hatched. No toe or beak problems.

I promise, I will have photos as soon as my camera permits! (I have younger photos, but they look like a mess when really young

)

Of course, I likely have a brother/sister pair here, so now I'm trying to think of the best way to breed them. I have a silver laced polish with them, making a trio right now, but I know that laced birds aren't the best to cross with them. I'd love to get my hands on Gretchen's stock, but I'm betting my own birds aren't too far, genetically, from hers.

Anyone having success with Orloffs and color?

Anyone thought of using black or white crested black?

 

[Vcomb]

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Just curious, but why wouldn't laced birds be the best cross? Silver lace would be an ok cross I suppose, provided you use the tollbunt roo over the silver lace hens, and only use the pullets from that mating in future crosses back to the tollbunt.

As for using white cresteds, you'll have a hard time getting back to the tollbunt color, mainly due to the wc's not having lacing nor mottling (unless you have largefowl w.c. black mottleds) and they will add even more white to what is generally an already too white crest. Most self blacks have white crested blood in their ancestry as far as I can tell, so there again you run the risk of possibly adding more white to the crest.

 

[Illia]

Hmm.

Well, yeah. I have a silver laced pullet in with my Tolbunt pair, so things are running smoothly so far. Also, my Silver Laced is, oddly, a heavy brooder (already tried 5 times in 3 months) so anything she decides to sit on now, I'm letting her!

Vcomb, what I don't get is, why is it the photos of Orloff crosses (both F1 and F2) I see don't have white? Aren't Orloffs mottled? Or is there a different gene playing there?