Totally confused about Ivomec and how to use!!

[CityChicker]

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The best wormer on the market is Valbazen.

Perhaps so if it kills pretty much all internal parasites that affect poultry. Is that what you are saying? I have read about it briefly and seen it offered by some of the vet suppliers for poultry, but don't have any experience with it personally (hence I didn't mention it). If it is that comprehensive, I would recommend it. Really, I would recommend almost anything over Ivermectin for internal parasites, but a lot of people like to use Ivermectin for other reasons and it is easy to add an additional inexpensive wormer as an adjunct. Flubendazole is the wormer of choice outside of the US. I wish it was more readily available here.

 

[Gypsy07]

Hi again! Here's clear advice I found on a UK forum from someone who seems to know what they're talking about:

"The Ivermectin can be given both orally OR drop on.

Drop on would be the easiest in my opinion as ivermectin is an oil based product and would float if put in water, so intake by the chickens would be dubious.

If you are going to put drops on the dosage is as supplied by Sandy - copied below

Dosage directions

Ivermectin for beef or sheep
Worms and external parasites
Sml bird – 4 drops
Med bird – 6 drops
Lge bird – 8 drops

OR if you are going to give the meds orally mix with water as below.
10ml per gallon water

OR not mixed with water - given straight from the bottle at the below dose
¼ cc can be given orally – large bird
Up to 7 drops for a bantam

Does not treat tapeworms or flukes"


Here's the link to the page if you want to read the whole thread:

http://www.thepoultrysite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3938

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

Ivermectin pour on is oil based and does not mix evenly in water. Ivermectin injectible is not oil based, and does mix evenly in water. I have read that the injectible taken orally does not stay in a birds system long enough to be completely effective, that the pour-on remains in the blood stream longer. I do not know this to be a fact, anly what I have read here from people whose opinions I trust. The reason for giving wazine first is to lighten the internal parasite load so that when the ivermectin is given the dead worms do not overload the birds ability to expel them.

Everything I have ever read about ivermectin, including the labels and government required data sheets say it is every effective against most types of worms and biting external parasites. Agreed that is does not affect tape worm. Yes, rotating wormers is a good idea, but that does not mean that ivermectin is a poor or ineffective wormer.

 

[kuntrygirl]

This is getting more and more interesting. I love the conversation going on here. I"m learning more and more. Sounds like Flubendazole is the best way to go.

 

[tom e]

I'm no expert by any means, never even used it yet but I have ordered some. The only reason I feel qualified to answer in this thread is because of the fact that I just went through the exact same confusion and I believe I've figured it out.
Any advice you get from folks in the UK, you have to remember that they are talking about an 8% product marketed for birds that they can legally use on them. We don't have any such luck. In fact there was one previously used for pet birds like parrots and such that you could get here, and since is off the market in the US, as for whatever reason the FDA doesn't want us using it on chickens. I've asked UK retailers if they would sell me some and ship it and they have replied that they are unable to ship to the US.
As far as I understand it now that leaves us with a few options that are not made for animals in the size range we are trying to medicate (assuming we are still determined to go through with it). From what I've gleaned of people's postings it looks like they are using this product for the most part http://www.jefferslivestock.com/ssc...=HQ6PABPD7PGJ8N6QTFJRGB3HLBV64VB0&pf_id=17186 a couple of drops on the back of the neck. It's not legal for someone at the feed store to recommend it's use on chickens (or they just don't want to tell you what they've heard the dosage is for liability reasons) so they probably won't be any help either.
I've also read elsewhere on the net that the FDA is monitoring posts of this nature on message boards!! So some people who have something to lose in this chicken world and could probably give some great advice about it probably would prefer not to speak up as well.
I'm going to try it following some Wazine (10 days after) and I will be using about two drops on the back of the neck. My pullets aren't laying yet, so I won't have to worry about throwing out eggs.

I am only putting here what I believe I've understood to be the consensus. If I'm wrong about any of this folks, please let me know!

Thanks.

 

[kuntrygirl]

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Great information. Thanks for posting.

I have read that you can use Wazine for 1 day. I have read other posts where they have used it for 2 days or more. Is 1 day of Wazine good or should 2 days do the trick?

 

[tom e]

Wazine is for chickens unless I'm mistaken, so I'll be able to just follow the directions on the package. It hasn't arrived yet, lol. So I don't know I'm sorry. Maybe someone else will speak on that one? My understanding was that it was for a one time treatment (though should be followed up after the period of time it takes for worms to hatch again). I would defer to the package though if it said something different.

 

[Beth G.]

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Hi, dosing is right on the back of the bottle. It tells you for certain age groups I think. Take Care, Beth

 

[kuntrygirl]

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There are the directions directly from the bottle of Wazine. I copied and pasted this from another site where they sold Wazine.

For use in drinking water for the removal of large roundworms (Ascaridia spp.) from turkeys, chickens and large roundworms (Ascaris suum) and nodular worms (Oesophagostomum spp.) from swine.

Turkeys: Under 12 weeks of age: for each 100 birds, use 2 fluid ounces (60 ml) of Wazine-17 in 2 U.S. gallons (7.6 liters) of drinking water. Over 12 weeks of age: for each 100 birds, use 4 fluid ounces (120 ml) of Wazine-17 in 4 U.S. gallons (15 liters) of drinking water. Worm turkeys at 4-6 weeks of age and thereafter at 30 days, or as needed.

Chickens: 4 to 6 weeks of age: for each 100 birds, use 1 fluid ounce (30 ml) of Wazine-17 in 1 U.S. gallon (3.8 liters) of drinking water. Over 6 weeks of age: for each 100 birds, use 2 fluid ounces (60 ml) of Wazine-17 in 2 U.S. gallons (7.6 liters) of drinking water. Treat broilers at 4 weeks of age and thereafter at 30 days, or as needed. Treat replacement pullets at 8, 12, and 16 weeks of age.

Swine: For each 100 pounds (45.5 kilograms) of herd weight: give 1 fluid ounce (30 ml) of Wazine-17 per U.S. gallon (3.8 liters) of drinking water. Treat sows and gilts breeding and up to 2 weeks before farrowing, treat boars at any time, and treat pigs 1 week after weaning and every 30 days thereafter.

WARNING: For each 100 pounds (45.5 kilograms) of herd weight: give 1 fluid ounce (30 ml) of Wazine-17 per U.S. gallon (3.8 liters) of drinking water. Treat sows and gilts breeding and up to 2 weeks before farrowing, treat boars at any time, and treat pigs 1 week after weaning and every 30 days thereafter.

 

[kuntrygirl]

Here is another link.

http://www.drugs.com/vet/wazine-17.html

For chickens:

For best results, remove water in the evening (except during hot weather). Then, early the next morning, begin water medicated with Wazine-17. Provide medicated water only, distributed in waterers sufficient in number so that all birds or animals have access to water. The medicated water should be consumed in 1 day or less. Worming every 30 days is necessary to break the large roundworm life cycle.