TREAT THEM FOR WORMS NOW -Molting - short days - few or no eggs anyway

[Judy]

"The proof is in the end result" implies it works, and will be read by some as, it will work for others.

Actually, I generally go the natural, chemical free route, too. But I worm my chickens with chemicals, because this is the south. Family members who live nearby have been treated for worms.

I just hate to see people read that it works for one person, and grab onto that as, well then, it will work for me, too. Perhaps I misspoke, perhaps not.

At any rate, I will shut up now and quit hijacking.

 

[Beekissed]

It implies that it works because it actually does. What people feel I've implied is their own problem. Just because chemical dewormers work for your flock doesn't mean I walk away from this thread thinking that you have implied that it is best for my flock too. It merely states that you use it and the proof that it works for you is the results that you have. End of story.

I can't help what others read into things....I just know that the end result in my flock has been a good one. I do believe that I followed that comment with another that stated that my flock had had no illnesses, had not needed meds nor visits to the vet. This would clarify that it worked on MY flock.

I don't normally follow my threads/posts with a disclaimer....and I see that this one does not either. People who regularly use these chemicals state quite clearly that they work for chickens and especially for their own....does this imply that it will work for everyone's as well? If they don't clarify that comment with a disclaimer does this imply to other people that it is the only way to go?

I don't think so....but then, I don't believe everything I read. I take the time to study up, research and experiment with the methods that I feel suit my flock. Others are free to do so also.

 

[dawg53]

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Are you sure you arnt a lawyer Beekissed?

 

[Beekissed]

I've been asked that quite a bit in my lifetime!

I just have a hard time going to sleep....so I have lots of time to research, read, contemplate and settle things in my mind.

I'm not arguing for arguments sake but I do love a good, sweet friendly debate on a worthy subject.....

It's all good!!!

 

[dawg53]

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Nah, you like a good argument every once in awhile and you know it lol, call it what you like, you cant fool me hahahaha...I was in military law enforcement/customs and self defense instructor...I can see or hear lawyer talk a mile away lolol. I'm going to bed. Goodnight!

 

[Beekissed]

Goodnight, Dawg!!!

 

[dawg53]

Here ya go all you BYC worm loving members, you too Beekissed! Google "monsters inside me" and it'll take you to; monsters inside me animal planet discovery; click it and watch the a short video what hookworms can do to your body besides lodge in your intestines.
Then go to youtube on your sleepless nights and type in "monsters inside me"....take your pick of one of the late night monster/horror shows you wanna watch, better than late night TV scary movies.

 

[Judy]

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No thanks! I've seen a few of these programs and read about/seen more over the years. People used to infect themselves with hookworms to lose weight. Probably still do. Don't even wanna think about what touching a coon can do to you. Treatments or prevention only for me, thanks!

 

[kathyinmo]

Parasites literally scar the digestive tract as they burrow into it. Each scar in the digestive tract is one more place where nutrients can't absorb. I highly disagree that this is the way to go. I also disagree with constant worming (unless there are constant infestations). Additionally, worms decrease the immune system of birds, steal the nutrients, irritate the digestive tract, make the bird more susceptible to other digestive tract illnesses by stressing the good bacteria of the gut, increase incidences of coccidiosis (even in adults), and spread to healthy birds.

I totally believe in ecological balance, but in moderation. If you wait til you see worms, you're waiting too long.

The ideal way of doing things would be to test three or four random birds in a flock using a "fecal egg count" from a vet to see if you need to worm two or three times a year. That way it's less invasive and lets you know when to treat. For someone trained in that, it would be the best way. Or if you have a good vet who will let you just bring in a few fecal samples and charge you for that, not the visit.

 

[joebryant]

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kathyinmo, when would you decide to treat more than once a year. Seems to me that losing 21 days of eggs twice a year (six weeks) or more is ... I don't know what. I hope that after this I never have to treat for worms more than once a year.
Already this year I've had to go three weeks after treating them for respiratory infection/fungus prevention. Now I'm doing ten days after giving them Wazine 17. So in three days I'll have to start 21 more days of tossing eggs after I give them the Valbazen treatment. That's more than SEVEN weeks of tossing eggs just this year. NOTE: THAT'S WRONG... SEE BELOW. I was thinking of the three weeks that I had to give my rooster his medication for respiratory disease/fungus.

CORRECTION on Dec. 4th: Toss eggs for 14 days after giving wazine and 14 days after giving valbazen= 28 days total. The exception to this is that on the 10th day after wazine you may give the valbazen, then it's 14 days from the start of the valbazen= 24 days total.