TREAT THEM FOR WORMS NOW -Molting - short days - few or no eggs anyway

[kathyinmo]

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Neither do I.

So y'all continue to eat the eggs your hens lay after they've been wormed?

Yes, I do, and have had no ill effects. No, I do not sell eggs to anyone else for 2 weeks after deworming meds.

 

[joebryant]

ddawn and kathyinmo, I suspect that it's suggested to toss eggs because small amounts of the medicine could cause you to become resistant to the specific medicine or one like it. Personally, I would hate to have an emergency and not be treatable.

 

[dawg53]

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Good point Joe, I never thought of it that way. My way of thinking is if someone is sensitive to the poison residue in the egg, that there could possibly be an adverse reaction to it no matter how slight it is. Also, poisons get flushed/filtered through our kidneys/liver and then excreted, it cant be good for the organs. In a human, I would suspect and I'm not sure about this, that there might be cumlative effects over time...like how smoking affects the lungs over time. I'm just guessing on this, I could be wrong. However, there are traces of wormer in eggs after dosing. I observe the usual 14 day withdrawal period. Granted, wormers are given to people, under a doctors supervision. To suggest that we have worms or I have worms isnt true; unless anyone here has been to a foreign country, or here, have eaten uncooked meats/fish or uncleansed food, has the risk of picking up unwanted parasites. There's a greater risk of picking up a pathogen ie... the recent salmonella outbreak for example, rather than worms. If a person has worms, I can assure you that you're gonna know it sooner or later because they will eventually tear up the insides of your body, and some will even work their way out through the skin. Yup, then I'd need a wormer without having worm resistance after eating all those eggs that had residue in them.

 

[Robin'sBrood]

Pulled the Wazine water out this morning. Should I go ahead and give them some yogurt?

 

[joebryant]

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Good point Joe, I never thought of it that way. My way of thinking is if someone is sensitive to the poison residue in the egg, that there could possibly be an adverse reaction to it no matter how slight it is. Also, poisons get flushed/filtered through our kidneys/liver and then excreted, it cant be good for the organs. In a human, I would suspect and I'm not sure about this, that there might be cumlative effects over time...like how smoking affects the lungs over time. I'm just guessing on this, I could be wrong. However, there are traces of wormer in eggs after dosing. I observe the usual 14 day withdrawal period. Granted, wormers are given to people, under a doctors supervision. To suggest that we have worms or I have worms isnt true; unless anyone here has been to a foreign country, or here, have eaten uncooked meats/fish or uncleansed food, has the risk of picking up unwanted parasites. There's a greater risk of picking up a pathogen ie... the recent salmonella outbreak for example, rather than worms. If a person has worms, I can assure you that you're gonna know it sooner or later because they will eventually tear up the insides of your body, and some will even work their way out through the skin. Yup, then I'd need a wormer without having worm resistance after eating all those eggs that had residue in them.

Jim, when I went to The Dominican Republic, like an idiot I went swimming in a lagoon... yeah, and my son, dil, daughter, sil, Anne and I were all staying at a beautiful beach resort. Yep, when I got home I had a very serious case of some kind, don't remember, of dangerous worm. I had to take some really strong medicines to get rid of them.

 

[dawg53]

Wow! That's scary Joe...glad you're ok. I bet your family was on pins and needles too. I like watching "Monsters Inside Me" on Animal Planet. I forgot which night it comes on, but it'll give you the creeps. I recommend everybody here in BYC should watch "Monsters Inside me," then they'd understand what these parasites do to their chickens, as they do in humans. Then, the "whether I should or should not worm" crowd would be rushing to their nearest feed store to get wormers lol.

 

[dawg53]

Robin'sBrood :

Pulled the Wazine water out this morning. Should I go ahead and give them some yogurt?

I recommend giving them yogurt with some canned beef cat food (protein) mixed in their feed to make a mash, and give it to them tomorrow. Then continue it for the next two or three days, then back to regular feed. Give the wormer time to clear roundworms out. The yogurt (probiotic) will get the gut flora back to normal after worming and the protein in the beef catfood will help build up strength.​

 

[kathyinmo]

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That would be an important issue if it were antibiotics that I may need .... Penicillin, etc. Since I never worm myself, I am not concerned about resistance to these meds.

That does lead me to another thought .... did you know your birds CAN become resistant to Ivermectin? Research shows Valbazen does not cause this problem.

 

[dawg53]

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That would be an important issue if it were antibiotics that I may need .... Penicillin, etc. Since I never worm myself, I am not concerned about resistance to these meds.

That does lead me to another thought .... did you know your birds CAN become resistant to Ivermectin? Research shows Valbazen does not cause this problem.

The worms become resistant to ivermectin http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1...x/abstract Sorry, but this link doesnt appear to be working. Basically, as a scientific experiment, about 20 leghorns were injected with roundworms, capillary worms and one other (cant remember)...the chickens were dosed with ivermectin and then autopsied after 6, 12, 19 days (close enough) and discovered the ivermectin had little or no effect. However, ivermectin still kills lice/mites. I also have a link where it shows in PDF format (might not work neither) that ivermectin does show up in eggs after dosing.
I agree with you kat, valbazen is the way to go when worming.

 

[BlacksheepCardigans]

I remember very well when ivermectin was the shiny new med and there was "no resistance!" There will eventually be resistance to every med, which is why they keep developing second- and third- and fourth-generation worming meds. Albendazole (Valbazen) already has resistant populations, which are being treated with levamisole (Tramisole) or moxidectin instead. You can only get half a step ahead of any worms; there's no magic wormer that they won't become resistant to.