Two questions for gun control people

[OldGuy43]

Show me some evidence that Al Qaeda plans massacre in the US, apart from their or some government's propaganda

Okay. How's this?

 

[thaiturkey]

Okay. How's this?

I'm not going to engage with anyone here on that one but you might benefit from reading David Ray Griffin.

 

[hemet dennis]

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He'll tell you that's "government's propaganda"

 

[Bogtown Chick]

Perfect OldGuy. I was just thinking that ThaiTurkey needs to be reminded of 9/11. The threat is real. I know where he's coming from and would love to take steps towards that dream that is a Utopia. I hate the idea of paranoia and the idea that I "need a gun" But, there are hateful people out there and that is the reality of it all. And if you leave people defenseless and without protection in this world environment as it is, it will be like shooting fish in a barrel. Guns exist. They provide meals for hungry tables, they defend free countries, and those wishing to rebel and liberate themselves from oppressive governments and tyrant leaders. They also seem to find there way into evil hands and that is unfortunate.

We're taking steps training some of our security teams and police officers to engage these spree killers and not wait for back up. And I think that shopping mall was testimony to that training. It could have been a much worse scenario. That kid thought he was in a soft target area until he saw armed security coming at him. Indeed, that is what stopped it from being worse than what it was. These are baby steps to be sure. Full on Solutions are difficult to find sometimes.

 

[hemet dennis]

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England's violent crime rate is 4 times that of the U.S.

 

[bakerjw]

Since you brought that up. The conspiracy theory is that our government helped orchestrate the 9/11 attacks. A government that would do that would certainly not have any problem oppressing its citizens. Hence if the government was involved then the 2nd amendment is even more important now more than ever.

 

[Demosthine]

As for protecting students at school, have you not heard of gates and locks?

In the massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School, the principal had ordered a new security system to be installed. According to Connecticut's Governor, the new system was fully activated and required a visual identity check by appropriate school staff and that the person be buzzed in. The doors automatically locked at 0930 Hours. The assailant literally shot his way in to the building using one or more of the guns. Although he carried a Bushmaster AR-15, a Glock handgun and a Sig-Sauer handgun, ironically, the shotgun is the preferred and primary firearm used in door breaches due to it's extremely large diameter rounds and power force.




And in reference to police not being required to provide the protection of an individual, refer to the following cases:
- Riss v. New York: The court cited policy consideration when it held that the protection afforded citizens is a general one, and it was not within the purview of the court to require police protection of the public.
- Wuethrich v. Delia: Municipalities are expressly immunized from tort liability for the failure to provide police protection or the failure to provide sufficient police protection.
- Calogrides v. City of Mobile: The rule is that, independent of sovereign immunity, a municipality is not liable for failure to supply general police ... protection.
- Davidson v. City of Westminster: Neither a public entity nor a public employee is liable for failure to establish a police department or otherwise provide police protection service or, if police protection service is provided, for failure to provide sufficient police protection service.
- Warren v. District of Columbia: Holds that police do not have a duty to provide police services to individuals, even if a dispatcher promises help to be on the way, except when police develop a special duty to particular individuals.

 

[OldGuy43]

Perfect OldGuy. I was just thinking that ThaiTurkey needs to be reminded of 9/11. The threat is real. I know where he's coming from and would love to take steps towards that dream that is a Utopia. I hate the idea of paranoia and the idea that I "need a gun" But, there are hateful people out there and that is the reality of it all. And if you leave people defenseless and without protection in this world environment as it is, it will be like shooting fish in a barrel. Guns exist. They provide meals for hungry tables, they defend free countries, and those wishing to rebel and liberate themselves from oppressive governments and tyrant leaders. They also seem to find there way into evil hands and that is unfortunate.

We're taking steps training some of our security teams and police officers to engage these spree killers and not wait for back up. And I think that shopping mall was testimony to that training. It could have been a much worse scenario. That kid thought he was in a soft target area until he saw armed security coming at him. Indeed, that is what stopped it from being worse than what it was. These are baby steps to be sure. Full on Solutions are difficult to find sometimes.

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that THEY are not out to get you.

To paraphrase an old quote from the '60's: If you don't like guns, next time your in trouble call a liberal.

 

[duckluck]

And England's what, the size of one of our states?

 

[duckluck]

Yep. (To OldGuy)