ug! School requiring chicken pox vaccine... what next - flu shot? Rant

[highcountrychickens]

Four words... "It's against my religion" (or it's against my belief)

 

[Chickie'sMoma]

i have read enough stuff over the years about how these different groups seem to say that 'every vaccine is to be given to your child' and others say to not do it at all.

i don't have children of my own, but i do have 2 nephews. one has autism and had shown it at 6 months old after being vaccinated. the other has been fine, but my sister held back on a lot of the vaccinations because she had read into a lot of the information the 5 years between the kids. (she was also living in a different state by then.)

from what i have read about giving vaccines, it seems that we may be giving them too early to a child while their brains are developing. if they are necessary for entering a school then that may be the time to give them. their brains and bodies have had the time to grow and develop more. if 1 in every 166(=/-) child has some form of autism doesn't that mean that there has to be some sort of common connector?

i can understand giving the vaccinations for polio, mumps and measels. but the chicken pox and HPV are not needed. HPV only seems to affect females, why if it is transmitted through males is it really so important for one sex to get it and not the other?!?

i vaguely remember getting chicken pox at 11, having a 103 temp and being iced down, getting it so severe it was in my throat too. i don't see any need for a child who has had it to get vaccinated from it since they already have the antibodies in them.

Shingles will only happen if you did not have CP severe enough as a child or if you have never had it. my uncle at 40 went though it since my mom and aunt had a 7 year gap on him. they had it early enough to not give it to him.

doctors take an oath to 'harm no one'. but when they don't have the time to do real research on the drugs they are injecting or prescribing then they really are doing us harm. look at what happened during the 50's though the 70's with the morning sickness medications they gave women.

 

[ginamomdoc]

Gardasil protects against the 4 most common types of human papillomavirus (HPV), which together cause 70% of cervical cancer and 90% of genital warts.

It is true that a woman will not contract HPV if she never has sex, or if she and the person she chooses has never had sex with anyone else. If, however, the person she chooses to become intimate with has had sex, it's as if she did too. Men cannot be tested for HPV, and the cancer-causing types have no symptoms, so transmission is silent.

There are now data that HPV also causes some types of oral cancer, transmitted probably via...less traditional intimacy.

Most cases of cervical cancer are in women who have not had paps for years, this is true. But there are many insurance companies, as well as state and federal assistance programs, that will not cover annual exams or paps (or any other preventative care for that matter) so these are not all women just not getting screened out of ignorance or lack of time. I see dozens of girls and women every week in my clinic for abnormal paps. Not cancer, but potential precancerous lesions. These lucky women get to have a microscopic exam of their cervix, biopsies, paps every 6 months at best and a large biopsy to remove all of the abnormal area at worst. Not pleasant, and all of that is in the women who don't have cancer.

If a woman gets a vaccine, then gets pelvic inflammatory disease a week later due to something completely different, it has to be reported as a potential rare side effect. The "side effects" of abnormal paps and cervical cancer are not potential or rare. Unpleasant exams, surgical procedures, hysterectomy, slow painful death. Again, not pleasant.

Should Gardasil be required for school? Nope, but it certainly should be covered by all insurance companies for anyone who wants it, preferrably before they have sex, to avoid infection and stepping onto that long road to the eternal gynecology appointment. Do I make money off of it as a health care provider? A whopping $20, which I charge to cover the salary of the medical assistant administering it.

Vaccination is a choice, but please think about all of the repercussions before making that choice.

 

[LA~Poulet]

doctors take an oath to 'harm no one'. but when they don't have the time to do real research on the drugs they are injecting or prescribing then they really are doing us harm. look at what happened during the 50's though the 70's with the morning sickness medications they gave women.

Well stated.

My own OBGyn was saying recently how for years he stood on his soapbox preaching the benefits of hormone therapy and prescribing it to the majority of his patients because it was so wonderful (according to the studies fed to him by the drug reps, I'm sure). In the past few years evidence came out how the side effects from them can be harmful or even fatal-and now he's taken an opposite stance and only prescribes them in certain necessary situations, taking the side effects in mind.

There really is no one-size-fits-all plan when it comes to medications & vaccinations-I think everyone needs to take in all the information available and make informed decisions regarding them.​

 

[LA~Poulet]

The "side effects" of abnormal paps and cervical cancer are not potential or rare.

No, according to my OB (a high risk specialist who I go to not b/c I'm high risk but because he's a fab doctor), 80% of women have HPV at some point. Obviously, 80% do not die from it or have hysterectomies from it, the majority recover on their own without any lasting effects.

Some young teens have dropped dead from the HPV vaccination, which still leaves you vulnerable to 30% of HPV variants. That is why I don't think it is EVER a black and white/good or bad issue.

The vaccine comes with a risk of death as well as the disease.​

 

[ginamomdoc]

80% ( at least) of sexually active women younger that 20 have a transient infection with HPV. Most clear it on their own. That is why screening and treatment guidelines are completely different for women under 20 and women over 20. A fair number of over 20 women are not settled down with the man of their dreams, and as they get older it becomes less common to clear on their own.

Most women will not get cancer, thank goodness. Most of them will be found years before that through screening programs and treated with directed biopsies close follow up.

Don't forget about genital warts, too. Not life threatening, but pretty life influencing.

 

[saddina]

On the Gardisil:

The whole purpose of doing the injection at age 13 is to get to them before they are doing the things that give HPV. Even if a girl does wait untill marriage, and stay with only one man, there is no guarentee that she will marry a man who doesn't fool around on her. I've been married 10 years now, and my HMO suggested I only get screened every 3-4 years, as I have 1 partener. While I trust my husband, I have an aunt who needed a hysteroctomy, as during her equally long marriage her husband did stray. It's not only can you raise your daughters right, but are you willing to bet her life and your possiability of grandkids that her future husband was also raised right?

They second they approve a shot for boys to not be a carrier, you better believe my sons will be getting it.

 

[ems_chick]

i think the Gardisil is a good thing seeing as how HPV can be passed while using protection.

 

[cutiepieacres]

whether you choose to vaccinate or not, vaccinations do not cause autism. Research has shown that in places that vaccinate and in those that don't autism rates are the same. Autism has also been shown to be highly heritable with a 60-90% heritability in identical twin studies. If the first child is born with autism the probability of the second having it has been shown to be 1in15 if you vaccinate or not. I have taken lots of Psychology classes(psyc major) where autism is discussed and one thing that is repeted over and over is that the vaccination theory doesnt hold up with reasearch. There may be plenty of other reasons not to vaccinate but autism is not one.

 

[BantyHugger]

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I hate to sound my age, but i believe that is your daughter's decision. I don't mean this to offend anyone, but i believe that teenagers need to be making calls like this for themselves. You can give your opinion and suggest she gets the shot, but if she says "no thanks" (like I did) that is ultimately her decision. Doing it to protect your chances of "grandkids" seems a little selfish. I recommend giving your teens all the information you have on Gardisil and letting them make that decision. Vaccines are notorious (as we see here) for having life altering side effects. Seeing as us teens are going to be the ones living with those effects we should decide if its worth risking our own futures.