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Nope, sorry people, there are no guarantees in life. Not for me not for you. Yes $14-$16 does not sound like a lot if you do not figure in bonus and overtime. It does have good benefits, health, dental, vision, life insurance, and accidental death insurance, but they are not the free kind of benefits some people enjoy. Everyone has to start somewhere though. If you scoff at that sum of money then obviously this is not the job for you, but if you stood in line at the food bank last week and are desperate for work then maybe it is. I am not going to publish how much my husband earns, but I can tell you that we started out as two teenage kids with no home living in a motel. So we got our butts some jobs and we worked hard. Then we moved to CA and we worked harder. CA economy started to take a dive so we moved to WY and we worked even harder. I am talking 70 hours a week as a nanny for me and 100 hrs plus a week for DH. DH's pay got cut because when the economy took a dive his company panicked and they cut pay in order to make sure they did not have to cut jobs. We did not panic we tightened our belts, kept paying our bills and gave up any non essentials so that we did not ruin our credit. When the opportunity to move for a promotion and higher pay came up, we jumped on it. I only visited ND one time before I moved here. We do not have family here that we could move in with if we could not pay our mortgage. That is why we save when times are good and we invest in a little thing called mortgage insurance.

If moving is not an option in your mind then don't do it, but do know that there are opportunities out there. Our local news paper is full of retail management positions, clerical positions and driving positions. Are these jobs suitable for 50-65 year old people, I don't know. I do know that I see an awful lot of 50-65 year old people in ND. I would dare say that the ratio is fairly similar to the ratios I see other cities so I am assuming that they are able to make a living somehow.

I do believe that their should be extensions for people who are on unemployment and have been looking for work and none is available to them. I also think that people who sacrifice to help out their relatives in their time of need deserve some sort of tax credit. I do not think that is ever going to happen though. When we help others in need that it is blessing to not only them but to ourselves and by letting our kids see the sacrafice being made to help others, we teach them an invaluable lesson that could not learn any other way.
 
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I know there are no guarentees... hence it would be dumb to take a gamble on such a risky move. I'm not one for gambling when the odds are against me already.
 
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If that is the way you want to look at it, then I agree that kind of move is not for you. We are obviously birds of a different feather. I have seen your etsy store and read your canning post all of the time. I respect and even strive for the kind of self suffiency you have made for yourself. If you ever change you ever change your opinion on the subject feel free to PM me and I will send you any information on the area you would like.
 
I understand that some people think that those who are unemployed for any length of time are lazy, stupid and refusing to do "whatever it takes" to get another job. I am just surprised at the animus directed at anyone who won't make the same decisions as some do. For many people moving is not an option for many, many reasons. There is no way for one person to judge another's life -- or ability.

Not everyone is capable of what many people here seem to think everyone should be. Just take one moment - just one and ask yourself what would it be like if you were disabled. What if you had a child who was? What if you had lost your spouse? What if they simply left you with the kids? What if you had already lost your house in a flood, had been completely dislocated and then found yourself yet again struggling to survive??

Not everyone is even smart. Not everyone is strong. Do we practice eugenics? Do we simply weed them out? Do we recognize that very strong people are sometimes raised by those who are not and that this very thing is part of what made them strong??

We are none of us where we are due entirely to our own efforts. Some of us had better life chances because we were born in the US. We were born intelligent. We were born normal. We were taught well or had ample opportunity to learn. That is not our doing. Other people did that for us.

Many people on this forum can tell you hair raising stories about how hard their lives have been. So why do some lose compassion when they rise above their circumstances? Why do they assume everyone else should be as strong as smart or just maybe as lucky as they were??

Are there lazy shiftless wasteful people on this planet? yep.... Always have been and always will be. Is our income gap right now the highest it has ever been in US history? yep on that one too.
Do we know that people at the very top are gaming the system so as to rob blind those at the bottom? Yeah, we have proof plenty of that. So why do we fight each other?? Why do we protect those who are actually behaving criminally by buying into their dominant ideology?? Why?

Why do those who are at the bottom, the ones who have the least, why are they the ones who give the largest percentage of their income to charity?
 
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If that is the way you want to look at it, then I agree that kind of move is not for you. We are obviously birds of a different feather. I have seen your etsy store and read your canning post all of the time. I respect and even strive for the kind of self suffiency you have made for yourself. If you ever change you ever change your opinion on the subject feel free to PM me and I will send you any information on the area you would like.

Just personally, my family, and everything we built... I wouldn't quit or throw it away to take a risk that may not have a return for us. Like you see, we are very self sufficent, and we've invested in fruit trees, strawberry patches, berry canes, birds and things that at least bring in a few dollars a month. Moving for a chance my husband could make more or have steady work would honestly through away all the time we have invested, plus any money I bring in.

Then again, maybe if I was one of the people who has lost my house (which we aren't right now), or was one of the renting americans... that could be an option. I've been looking at this as a home owner trying to keep their investment, or stablize themselves. As was stated earlier, to move in most situations would be to turn your home over to the bank to go... I have neighbors who moved for a job... there house was for sale for 7 months... they dropped the price a lot. They already had the job before the put the house up to move, but I wondered how long before they couldn't afford the house payments and rent, even with that new job?
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I have suggested to my parents they leave as they may have a shot somewhere else... but they are giving me the 'we're too old to move' bit. However, I see them losing their trailer by the beginning of next year. They may just have to make the decision after all!!!

I think all that is my point though. I think 1-2% could just pick up and move without any issue. Then there is probably 1-2% where it is just not a practical option. I think the whole situation is 50/50... not everyone is a dead beat sucking off the system. So that hurts because that's all some people see!

Though I would like to say, those people who's had BMW's repo'ed and their houses forclosed on because they couldn't make payments after lay off... they had NO retirement... they had no more in savings then 1 month of bills... they DESERVED IT! I've nearly cleared out our savings... but making $32k a year, I managed to save enough to survive this long... people who lived in a delusion their money would last forever really ticked me off!

I see American's like us... we worked hard, we saved, we're still working hard... we deserve an extension on unemployment as I see it. I find that to be more productive then the big bank bail out.
 
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The last time we had a similar situation in this country was in the 1930s, when people left their foreclosed homes for the promise of jobs in another state. Thousands of people moved from their foreclosed Midwestern farms to west coast in search of work. They were generally called Okies....what is advocated here is somewhat similar...leave your underwater loan on the west coast for the Midwestern life.

http://www.livinghistoryfarm.org/farminginthe30s/water_06.html
 
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The last time we had a similar situation in this country was in the 1930s, when people left their foreclosed homes for the promise of jobs in another state. Thousands of people moved from their foreclosed Midwestern farms to west coast in search of work. They were generally called Okies....what is advocated here is somewhat similar...leave your underwater loan on the west coast for the Midwestern life.

http://www.livinghistoryfarm.org/farminginthe30s/water_06.html

There are massive migrations going on now. There are also bread lines - only they are at Walmart at night......

There is true hunger. And children's hospitals are reporting rapidly rising numbers of children with failure to thrive issues related to malnutrition. This failure to invest in their first three years will cost us terribly down the road. Refusing to feed them now means they will be dependent forever......

It was like this in the 30s - some areas were simply not as hard hit as others and people did not see the suffering we now routinely associate with the depression. Our tent cities get bulldozed out of town.​
 
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So how long do the extensions go on? We have a number of folks here on unemployment because they are laid off from local manufacturing plants. They are not looking for work, they are just waiting to be called back to the plants "when the economy improves", just as it has always worked in the past. And waiting... and waiting... What if they don't get called back?

I see so many folks that have built their lives around one vocation. They may be a welder at the local plant. They weld, that is what they do, that is what they always have done. When they are laid off, they look through the paper and see there are no jobs available for welders and proclaim "There are no jobs out there" and are content to collect unemployment with the knowledge that they may be called back to the plant "when the economy improves". How long do we extend the benefits?
 

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